[R-P] Milosevic, cristiano ortodoxos (serbio-rusos) y Brzezinsky

[Nestor Gorojovsky]

"Los serbios son paneslavistas en la medida de su atraso", decía 
Carlos Marx, _defendiendo_ a los serbios contra la crítica 
"iluminista" de Engels. 

De igual manera, en la medida del atraso a que ha sido condenada 
Rusia por la victoria de los imperialistas sobre el antiguo régimen 
soviético, su dirigencia se hace eclesiástica y ortodoxa. No me 
molesta, porque conociendo a estos nenitos uno sabe que lo harán solo 
en la medida que sirva a los planes de restablecimiento del poder de 
la potencia euroasiática, y no AL REVÉS

La herencia cultural y religiosa no puede ser neutra, y los 
dirigentes rusos no lo ignoran. Así como puede servir a la 
construcción de la Patria Grande también puede servir a su 
destrucción. En la Argentina, apenas si hace falta recordar el papel 
que jugó la Iglesia en el derrocamiento de Perón, así como basta con 
señalar el papel del muy católico Opus Dei en el avance imperialista 
posterior a 1976 (especialmente tras la liquidación -en general hacia 
capital español- de los bienes de los argentinos bajo Menem).  

Dicho sea de paso, el Opus es un Estado dentro del Estado en países 
como Polonia, Lituania y Eslovenia...

En cambio, la Iglesia rusa es en buena medida parte del Estado ruso. 
Siempre fue así, salvo quizás (y parcialmente) durante el período 
inmediatamente posterior a 1917; pero en ese momento se había 
colocado en bloque del lado de los enemigos de Rusia y de la 
Revolución. Luego, hubo un largo "acuerdo no tan cordial como sólido" 
entre popes y burócratas, que -ya que hablamos de "sólido"- nunca 
tuvieron problemas en sumarse a los popes contra el "solideo"... 
engendrando así estúpidas ilusiones pro-sionistas y pro-EEUU entre 
los judíos de la ex URSS.

Religión del Estado, entonces, como las protestantes escandinavas, o 
la anglicana, por ejemplo. En ese caso, es relativamente fácil unir 
la "herencia religiosa" con la "defensa de la Nación". No puede 
decirse lo mismo de otras religiones, especialmente de la católica, 
que al menos por ahora tiene fuertes vínculos con otro Estado.

De lo demás podemos seguir hablando. Pero el punto de partida no 
puede ser la "unidad" del Obispo Lué con Fray Luis Beltrán bajo el 
manto de la "herencia cultural". Eso solo puede servirle al Obispo 
Lué. La Izquierda Nacional, al menos, no puede chuparse el dedo sobre 
este asunto.

Respuesta a:"[R-P] Milosevic, cristiano ortodoxo"
Enviado por:Edgar Schmid
Con fecha:10 Feb 2007, a las 1:54

> CITANDO LA FUENTE,EL MATERIAL DE ESTA LISTA ES DE LIBRE REPRODUCCIÓN 
> 
> http://zelonash.narod.ru/serben.html
> 
> ORTHODOXY IS JUDGED IN HAGUE
> 
> En el sitio de arriba, el Goro puede ver la foto del
> general Leonid Ivashov y luego la conferencia que,
> perdóneme, no voy a traducir pero Goro sabe más ingles
> que yo y no problem.
> 
> Pero es interesante como el general Ivashov comienza
> la conferencia de solidaridad con Serbia y Milosevic:
> 
> "A principios de los '90 el sr. Brzezinsky declaró:
> "con el comunismo terminado, es el turno de la
> ortodoxia". Así la lucha procede. El propósito de esto
> es "cruzarnos" en otra religión y hacer todo más
> precisamente para que nosotros olvidemos las raíces
> religiosas, culturales-históricas. Y luego
> probablemente nosvolvamos obedientes, tal como todos
> los satélites de USA y el capital financiero mundial.
> El tribunal de La Haya es el más franco ejemplo de
> todo esto."
> 
> Ya sé, el Goro está pensando como le rompe las
> caramañolas un seguidor de Felipe II. Pero en este
> caso se trata de un seguidor de Iván el Terrible, de
> la misma época.
> 
> Edgar
> 
> abajo conf. del tovarich general
> -------------  
> 
> At the beginning of 90th the mister BZHEZINSKY
> declared: "With a communism done away, on a turn is
> ORTHODOXY". So this FIGHT PROCEEDS. Purpose of it -
> "to cross" us in other religion and to do everything
> more precisely we forget the religious,
> cultural-historical roots. And then probably we will
> become obedient, such as all satellytes of the USA and
> world financial capital. The Hague tribunal is the
> most frank example of all of it.
> 
> 
> At the beginning of 90th the mister BZHEZINSKY
> declared: "With a communism done away, on a turn is
> ORTHODOXY". So this FIGHT PROCEEDS. Purpose of it -
> "to cross" us in other religion and to do everything
> more precisely we forget the religious,
> cultural-historical roots. And then probably we will
> become obedient, such as all satellytes of the USA and
> world financial capital. The Hague tribunal is the
> most frank example of all of it.
> 
> What did Serbians do, remainig Kosovo's episode, I
> mean Yugoslavian guidance at the head of
> Мiloshevich? They reacted on development of
> situation. Events developed as follows: on the first
> stage at the beginning of 90th Balkan-Kavkazian and
> Turkish mafia wanted to open out three trans-shipments
> narcopoints - through Macedonia, North Albania and in
> Prishtina, on territory of Кosovo. For
> realization of this plan they needed to blow up a
> situation. The first battle terrorist groups on Balkan
> were formed on the money of narkomafia and under
> itself guidance. Then they gave the political
> colouring and elements of national liberation motion
> for it. So it appeared the enough ramified terrorist
> network.
> 
> How Belgrade must react on it? How any state
> respecting itself - to make an effort to liquidate and
> crush down this network. But since 90th the last
> century, fusing of narcoterrorist network with certain
> forces in United States of America happened. Then the
> USA and NATO stuck the fight against a genocide and
> etc. This union is obvious for us. Narkomafia pursued
> the purpose, Americans and NATO - their. Thus there
> were "fights" between them. There the Turkish and
> German special service tried to show activity,
> whereupon Americans crushed down those and other
> taking under control this essential district of
> Balkan.
> 
> Farther they lined up a corridor for Serbians,
> designating scopes - from one side, consent on
> voluntarily occupation by forces NATO and care from
> the political arena of the mode of Мiloshevicha.
> If Serbians disagreed on this variant, had to be
> expose to bombardments which the ground operation
> followed. In this narrow corridor Belgrade was tired
> out from 1990 year, it settled for large compromise
> concessions. Nevertheless all operation was already
> planned and was carried through. Serbians which by
> virtue of the state responsibility were under an
> obligation to contest terror and destabilization, by
> virtue of international obligations they had to
> support stability in a region and on the territory,
> today on prisoners' box. And ringleaders of terrorists
> are free, occupy leading posts, participate in
> international conferences, they are adopted in western
> capitals solemnly.
> 
> In Hague Slobodan Мiloshevich was produced the
> prosecutions to 66(!) articles, but no one of these
> reasons can prove. He is laid in the genocide of
> Albanian population, but there is no one document
> where Мiloshevich or someone from his inferiors
> - chief of General Staff, Minister and etc - would put
> the purpose of ethnic suppression of Albanians. It is
> not present! Vice versa, and we demonstrated that -
> all orders and directives of Yugoslavian guidance
> careful and careful attitude was just expressed toward
> the peaceful population, including Albanians. In
> addition, Мiloshevich is charged the strategy of
> creation of so-called "Great Serbia", but again it
> finds no confirmation. Moreover I showed particular
> that Мiloshevich, from my point of view, had not
> rendered due support serbian Кrayne and Republic
> of Serbian. When NATO began to rearm Croatia and
> Bosnia, we were ready to help to rearm and render
> support to Serbians, but Мiloshevich showed
> passivity. He followed like sheep to the embargo on
> helping military and military-technical, which was
> imposed with our help by the way.
> 
> Мiloshevich is imputed excessive application of
> military force. We demonstrated the orders of the
> Supreme high command General Staff, orders to a 1-th
> Prishtina corps where were funny points to my mind.
> When the commander of Prishtina corps sets the problem
> to army subdivisions - if you were accomplished sudden
> assault, before application of weapon you call
> attacking to the cease-fire and conduct of
> negotiations. It's that what for I criticized the
> chief of the general Staff of the general Dragolyuba
> Оidanicha. Actually, there is no proofs about
> excessive application of military force by Serbians,
> and weren't. Such picture is folded practically about
> all episodes, that is imputed to Мiloshevich.
> 
> But there are such "proofs" which nothing except for a
> smile can not cause. For example, the side of
> prosecution drove young Albanian to the court which
> declared that was shot in Кosovo exactly because
> Albanian. And for evidentness he showed a bloodstained
> shirt with three enormous openings in area of breast
> to the court. Albanian: "That is shot me". And
> Мiloshevich asked Albanian: "From what weapon
> did shoot you?". Albanian answered looking in the
> scrap of paper: "From a large-calibre machine gun".
> Мiloshevich asked Albanian to heave up clothes
> and to show wounds to the court but he answered that
> can not to do it as moslem. Another question followed
> a "victim": "From what distance in you did shoot?". -
> "From three meters... " Such witnesses testimonies are
> on verge of idiocy.
> 
> But on the whole, I want to underline it, today in
> Hague orthodoxy is judged, is judged the rebellious
> Serbian people and this is fully evidently and
> obviously. The USA and NATO achieved their objective
> at first dismembering large Yugoslavia, then the
> Republic Yugoslavia. And today the real state is not
> present - Serbia with Montenegro and pretty fragile
> relations between them. This is ideal variant for the
> West. Yes, Serbian opposition of socialistic and
> patriotic orientation comes forward. But as a result
> of "velvet revolution" the power in Serbia is the same
> saakashvily and the same yuschenko which under full
> control.
> 
> During listening in a tribunal in Hague I mentioned
> some facts, for example, as the mrs. Albright rang to
> the main terrorist Hahym Тhacy, required
> something from him, supported the relations and etc.
> That mrs. Albright already after signing - in fact
> instrument of surrenders which our mister Chernomyrdin
> presented - collected democratic opposition of Serbia
> and Montenegro in Germany - Dzhinzhich, Dzhukanovych
> et al. She literally spoke with them rudely and
> sharply - you must, we give a money you and etc. So
> those leaders in which they inlaid facilities, the USA
> control. Dzhinzhich on call of Americans handed over
> Мiloshevich to the Hague tribunal as handed over
> and other.
> 
> In a tribunal witnesses from Russia succeeded - to my
> mind, main - to open out a process toward the
> prosecution of authentic culprits - the USA and NATO.
> On concrete arguments and facts we showed that
> aggression took place in regard to Yugoslavia, that a
> conspiracy was with narcoterrorist structures, then
> the project of dismemberment of Yugoslavia ripened. We
> showed that all these negotiations processes, missions
> OBSE et al were a screen actually, disguise. This
> scenario was carried through. I brought these
> arguments over to a process and grew proofs. In the
> total a public prosecutor in a court renounced the
> records of talks of Albright with the head of
> terrorists were represented. A public prosecutor
> suddenly demanded to bring some codes(!?) of our
> special services. Me and Russia were tried to blame
> for that we listened the negotiations of the first
> persons of countries of the West. I explained to the
> public prosecutor, that a terrorist network was
> listened, and who gets there... In the total a public
> prosecutor renounced to interrogate me, he was nervous
> and assumed causticities. In general the prosecution
> does not have arguments.
> 
> There were appearances of Primakov Eugeny. But a court
> admitted that our testimonies change a situation on
> the whole and the new circumstances appeared. Actualy
> today we can't hope that will justify
> Мiloshevich and those Serbians which together
> him is in prisoners' box. To justify Мiloshevich
> means to accuse the USA and NATO. A process goes
> neither so nor so. Some of defendants sit already more
> than three years. To the end of 2006 year court is
> going to complete the interrogation of sides, to pass
> judgements to 2008. And two years they want to take on
> an appeal, although not clearly, where to appeal to.
> 
> Мiloshevich does not acknowledge legitimity of
> this court, renounces advocates, is on the defensive,
> looks confidently. And it seemed to me that
> Мiloshevich owns a situation in a court, he had
> mass of information, in earnest prepared, refuted
> everything and all. That does honour to
> Мiloshevich - he undertook guilt of all
> inferiors including ministers and generals, ready to
> carry responsibility for each the decision. In Hague a
> small size Albanians sits, some huligan elements,
> while from the Serbian side - in fact - all
> military-political guidance - President, Secretary of
> Defence, who is Chief of General Staff, Commander of
> corps, Deputy minister of Defensive, Voislav Sheshel,
> President of Serbia ect. Serbian guidance was planted
> in edification to the other leaders including Kuchma
> probably and Lukashenko - that expects those who will
> dare resist to Americans.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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