[R-G] Moderator's Note # 2
Mark E. Smith
mymark at gmail.com
Sun Sep 12 17:35:50 MDT 2010
Guilty as charged, Macdonald. I'm in the habit of responding to issues and
arguments without regard to personalities. So I'll argue with my best
friends if I think a specific point they made is illogical or incorrect, and
agree with my worst enemies if they should happen, even by accident, to be
What I seem to have observed here, is that some people will stand up for
their friends even when they're wrong, and even if they have to resort to
nonsensical arguments to do so.
I don't play that game.
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Macdonald Stainsby <mstainsby at resist.ca>wrote:
> For the most part, given the vitriol this particular discussion normally
> inspires and that has animated the list recently, I'll state I am
> generally very impressed that two opposite sides of it have launched bombs
> and apologized and moved on. However, there is still a great need for
> people to stop with assuming that people are of bad faith, for one. For
> example, Mark, who is writing intelligently and eloquently, just fired
> arrows at one of his staunchest supporters. Read a little closer perhaps
> everyone? And remember that none of us want a world with imperialism,
> capitalism, war, or the various environmental catastrophes that are
> happening right now. From peak oil to climate change, these conversations
> must happen because we have only a short time to win anything, unless
> socializing the means of a dead planets production is some sort of goal.
> That's crap.
> At any rate, the only thing I want to add to the thread at this point is a
> short, simple thought for consideration.
> In the rest of the world outside of North America, but especially the
> global south, you know, where 80 percent of us live? The idea that 9-11
> was done by the US to liquidate their own wars is not only accepted, but a
> given. Most of us on the left tend to think the rest of the world has
> better politics, or at least is closer to real progress than we are. But
> in this particular case if you mention it to the hardest core deniers the
> response is "they are less educated" (as if the American and Canadian
> education systems are actually healthy!).
> Just something to think about.
> Macdonald Stainsby
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