[R-G] Sunday Times: "Vladimir Putin Set to Bait US with Nuclear Aid for Tehran"

Suzanne de Kuyper suzannedk at gmail.com
Sun Sep 7 15:24:11 MDT 2008


I think that the balance between the U.S. and Russia has changed for good
and that they may well sell those S-300 s to Iran.  The U S is facing a
deteriorating home country.  I find it meaningful that the set up war (set
up by Isreal/U.S.) happened just before the unemployment figures for the
U.S. came out, and as Russia sold Freddie and Fanny stocks! Those
 unemployment figures should be higher and were officially misrepresented!
In a world that uses one universal currency, the dollar, the U.S. financial
realities have been hidden from actual real view for generations.  That is
no longer possible.  The financial situation in the U. S. seen actually show
the United States as a third world country.  It is a country that has
presided helpfully over the dissolution of it's own major industries, at the
same time it has intimidated and humiliated more than one hundred countries
in order to force them to do as the U.S. thought they should.   It is still
doing so, witness Vice President Cheney's recent trip to the former Soviet
Union's satelites to bully and/or buy them to do as Washington wants them
to.
The Soviet Union has been in talks to join the Euro group.  You cannot
imagine how powerfu a block of Euopean countries with Russia as parter would
be!  It would form the first real set of checks and balances to U.S.A. world
empire plans.  The U S problems would come to light in an a way that it will
do anything to continue to hide.
Take the Titanic.  Remember the movie?  When it went down they showed the
undertow created by the massive weight and size of the sinking ship.  The
U.S.is now going down, as Hitler's Germany was also going down when his
dictatorship tried to reverse the slide dramaticly. The world will have to
move from primary reliance on the unstable dollar, subject to the
legal/politial whim of an isolated country with too many nuclear weapons.
 The Republican and the Democratic parties have both been destroying the
laws and the regulations set up to check and balance the financial greed of
robber barons set up by Roosevelt  ( the traitor to his class) at the bottom
of the Great Depression in the 1930s.  In effect, they are now all gone.
 Berneke and Paulson are both part of this erasure of checks and balances.
 Their ministrations have made the financial situation worse.  The robber
barons only illustrated the universal human greed factor.  A Democratic
Republic cannot exist without checks and balances.

The U.S. with an Intelligence Services budget of 70 billion a year and 80%
of the intelligence 'officers' are civilian outsourced workers for money not
the common good, are not subject to Habeous Corpus or the U.S. Constitution
or International law, only results, as is true of our Israeli co-government
brothers. Do read Tim Shorrock's "Spies for Hire". So, when the order went
out that Russia was to be set up as Evil Empire to all those agencies and
hard working civilian
intelligence officers with unlimited funds and the newest,  best of tools
and no legal, ethical or moral restraints but results, the setup was done.
Then the advertising expertise of the U S was used to spread the 'news' that
Russia was reaching for the Cold War power it once 'enjoyed'.  Russia
attacted Georgia.  Those facts are beginning to crumble. so Cheney eagerly
went to shore up the propaganda.  All the world is now sceptical of the U.S.
power.  Only belatedly is the U.S. realizing this, with both rage and
bewilderment, and revenge.  As will become clear, revenge only increases the
U.S. pain.  This American administration is almost completely out of touch.


Russia stands on the edge of a time of real long term power and influence.
 If selling the S-300 to Iran is needed to signal this world change, now may
be the time!  If Europe continues to follow the U S lead and foreign policy
choices, afraid to anger the Americans as always, it will decline equally.
 Russia and the Middle East and Asia is the future for Europe, not the
U.S.A.. As America declines, it's deficiencies are finally becoming visible
world wide.  With control of the internet , a choke hold on media
revelations, the pace of exposure is too slow, but it is inevitable.

Suzanne




On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi <
critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Sunday Times article probably isn't true because its reports on
> Iran, Russia, etc. have always been full of psychological warfare
> based on leaks from anonymous sources.  As for S-300, the threat to
> sell it to Iran and Syria is something the Russians have been willing
> to use, but if they actually sold it, they could no longer use it as a
> bargaining chip with the West, so they probably won't do so easily.
> But they may actually do so, as well as cutting the Russian route to
> supply NATO forces in Afghanistan, if the West doesn't cease and
> desist from its military advancement toward Russia.  After all, Russia
> is holding its first joint naval exercise with Venezuela (cf.
> <http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=13047541&PageNum=0>).
>  -- Yoshie
>
> <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4692237.ece>
> From The Sunday Times
> September 7, 2008
> Vladimir Putin set to bait US with nuclear aid for Tehran
> Mark Franchetti in Moscow
>
> Russia is considering increasing its assistance to Iran's nuclear
> programme in response to America's calls for Nato expansion eastwards
> and the presence of US Navy vessels in the Black Sea delivering aid to
> Georgia.
>
> The Kremlin is discussing sending teams of Russian nuclear experts to
> Tehran and inviting Iranian nuclear scientists to Moscow for training,
> according to sources close to the Russian military.
>
> Moscow has been angered by Washington's promise to give Georgia £564m
> in aid following the Russian invasion of parts of the country last
> month after Tbilisi's military offensive. Kremlin officials suspect
> the US is planning to rearm the former Soviet republic and is furious
> at renewed support for attempts by Georgia and Ukraine to join Nato.
>
> Last week a third US Navy ship entered the Black Sea with aid bound
> for Georgia. Moscow has accused the Americans of using the vessels to
> deliver weapons but has failed to provide any evidence.
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>
> Vladimir Putin, the prime minister of Russia, who has been the driving
> force during the crisis, has declared he will take unspecified action
> in response.
>
> "Everything has changed since the war in Georgia," said one source.
> "What seemed impossible before, is more than possible now when our
> friends become our enemies and our enemies our friends. What are
> American ships doing off our coast? Do you see Russian warships off
> the coast of America?
>
> "Russia will respond. A number of possibilities are being considered,
> including hitting America there where it hurts most – Iran."
>
> Increasing nuclear assistance to Iran would sharply escalate tensions
> between Moscow and Washington. Over the past 10 years Russia has
> helped Iran build its first nuclear power station in Bushehr. Iran
> claims the plant is for civilian purposes. Officially at least, Moscow
> accepts that. The West has little doubt the aim is to build a nuclear
> bomb.
>
> But diplomats say that despite its help with the Bushehr plant, Moscow
> has so far played a constructive role as a mediator between the regime
> in Tehran and the West and by backing United Nations sanctions.
>
> Earlier this year, in one of his last actions as president, Putin
> added Russia's stamp of approval to a UN security council resolution
> imposing fresh sanctions against Iran.
>
> The document bans, with the exception of the Bushehr project,
> dual-technology exports that could be used for civil nuclear purposes
> and missile production.
>
> "After the war in Georgia it's difficult to imagine relations between
> Russia and America getting worse," said a western diplomat. "Russia
> giving greater nuclear assistance to the Iranians would do the trick –
> that's for sure."
>
> Last month Russia agreed to sell missiles to Syria. "The mood among
> the hawks is very bullish indeed," said one source who did not rule
> out a resumption of Russian military action in Georgia to take the
> port of Batumi, where American vessels are delivering aid.
>
> Hardliners were infuriated last week by the visit to Georgia of Dick
> Cheney, the American vice-president. "Georgia will be in our
> alliance," Cheney said. He also visited Ukraine, whose Nato
> aspirations could make it the next flashpoint between Russia and
> America.
>
> However in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, events appeared to be moving
> Moscow's way. Viktor Yushchenko, the pro-western president, is
> fighting to stay in power in a crisis that could see him impeached.
>
> "I'm amused by claims in the West that Russia is the loser in this
> crisis," said a former Putin aide. "What would Washington do if we
> were arming Cuba the way it armed Georgia? The postSoviet days when we
> could be pushed around are over."
>
> <http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080901/116446535.html>
> Russia may push forward with S-300 sales to Iran
> 17:41 | 01/ 09/ 2008
>
> MOSCOW, September 1 (RIA Novosti) - Russia may proceed with plans to
> sell advanced S-300 air defense systems to Iran under a secret
> contract believed to have been signed in 2005, a Russian analyst said
> on Monday. (Russian mobile surface-to-air missile systems - Image
> gallery)
>
> Commenting on an article in the Sunday Telegraph newspaper saying
> Russia is using the plans as a bargaining chip in its standoff with
> America, Ruslan Pukhov, director of Moscow-based Center for Analysis
> of Strategies and Technologies, said: "In the current situation, when
> the U.S. and the West in general are stubbornly gearing toward a
> confrontation with Russia after the events in South Ossetia, the
> implementation of a lucrative contract on the deliveries of S-300 [air
> defense systems] to Iran looks like a logical step."
>
> The U.S. and Israel were alarmed by media reports, which started
> circulating as early as 2005, on the possible delivery of S-300
> surface-to-air missiles to Iran, as these systems could greatly
> improve Iranian defenses against any air strike on its strategically
> important sites, including nuclear facilities.
>
> The advanced version of the S-300 missile system, called S-300PMU1
> (SA-20 Gargoyle), has a range of over 150 kilometers (over 100 miles)
> and can intercept ballistic missiles and aircraft at low and high
> altitudes, making the system an effective tool for warding off
> possible air strikes.
>
> The issue was again raised in December last year when Iranian Defense
> Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar said Russia had agreed to deliver to
> Iran an unspecified number of advanced S-300 air defense complexes
> under a previously signed contract.
>
> However, Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation
> said the issue of the delivery of S-300 air defense missile systems to
> Iran was not a subject of current or past negotiations.
>
> Israeli defense sources, however, said in July that Iran was expected
> to take delivery of Russian S-300 air defense systems by the end of
> 2008.
>
> Pukhov said: "This may be true. While Russia and the West were on good
> terms, the contract could have been 'frozen' for the time being. But
> now may be the perfect time to move forward with the fulfillment of
> the S-300 contract."
>
> According to the Russian analyst, S-300 missiles and previously
> delivered Tor-M1 missiles would help Iran build a strong network of
> long- and medium-range 'defensive rings' to thwart any attempts to
> destroy key nuclear facilities in the country.
>
> Moscow supplied Iran with 29 Tor-M1 air defense missile systems in
> late January under a $700-million contract signed in late 2005. Russia
> has also trained Iranian Tor-M1 specialists, including radar operators
> and crew commanders.
>
> "Anyone attempting to threaten Iran with aerial bombardment would have
> to consider the possibility of strong and effective resistance," the
> expert said.
>
> Meanwhile, Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi denied
> on Monday reports that Tehran had bought S-300 air defense systems
> from Russia.
>
> "Our missile and technical capability completely depends on the
> efforts of Iranian scientists," he said.
>
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