[R-G] Poverty of Crisis Debate

Suzanne de Kuyper suzannedk at gmail.com
Fri Oct 3 05:45:04 MDT 2008


Thoughts in response to Yoshie
Right on.  Am neither a leftist or Marxist and have been watchig this roll
downhill like an enlarging snow ball since the late 70s when Merrill Lynch
became a real estate company and also a bank, also a loan company.  My
grandfather started the National Bank of Detroit with Roosevelt in 1933.
 Roosevelt chose him for the specific city of Detroit, the most important
city in the country at the time, just as Roosevelt chose other men to head
national banks in other key cities.  I have had an understanding of the
thrust of the Roosevelt regulations and checks and balances that stabilized
the markets for about 50 years, so, as they have dropped to the wayside,
have noticed with quiet alarm.
I also know that Ronald Reagan, that terrible actor with mellifluous voice
and smile, was supported by the West Coast Chandler family who owned the L.A
Times papers as well as the oil companies, really representing the millions
who were organizing the rolling back all of Roosevelts regulations and
balances since almost the 1930s or 40s.  Roosevelt was considered a traitor
to his kind and to his party for the stabalization he achieved...I guess
because of the way he achieved.

The summit of the multi generation effort to do away with rules and laws is,
now!  We have no Habeous Corpus!  The law against stationing US soldiers in
the US to coerce whatever the government sees it needs people to do, is
gutted...Mr. Bush did another 'signing'.  We are spending 180 billion
dollars a year on destroying two middle eastern countries because we insist
they must be democracies as our bridges crumble, our schools close, our
sytems break down for lack of enough funds to bring them into the 21st
century.  Less than a year ago we had 50 milion people without enough food,
50 million people without enough funds to afford health care, numbers that
are probably doubled now.  Will be trebled soon.  And the war funding was
just refreshed last week...The one trillion asked for to throw at the
financial melt down will double US debt overnight..  where will that money
come from?  China may close the spigots...are rather fools if they do not!

Follow this national international conversation with great interest as
almost no one mentions the simple fact that the answers to the crisis would
be in the Roosevelt files!  No-ne has suggested they be combed through.  I
suggested a column in one of the two main Detroit newspapers about my grand
dad as a way of bringing another subject to highlight coming problems too
long ignored, with an immediate solution!  No interest.  I find that
fasinating comment on all of the US.

I even suspect that this meltdown was planned to cover a reach to empire
behind the smoke and fears of depression...Too many powerful brilliant
economists watched this as well ..I recommend the book "Spies for Hire" By
Shorrock to show how the removal of the laws against disseminating
propaganda world wide has opened up opportunities of financial theft that
are breathless, for one.

Suzanne de Kuyper
Amsterdam


On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi <
critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Leftists, especially Marxists, are fond of debates on crises.  But our
> debates have often revolved around questions that are not exactly
> helpful to people in crisis.  We tend to debate such questions as:
>
> What are the underlying causes of crisis -- overaccumulation,
> overproduction, underconsumption, or what?
>
> But the question that we should have been really debating, learning
> from historical examples, is: in case of a crisis, _how_ do we counter
> a financial blackmail of capital (e.g., if you don't give us $700
> billion, we'll commit suicide bombing and take you all down)?  As long
> as we cave to this blackmail and seek a solution on capital's terms,
> we'll remain social democrats.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Yoshie
>
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