[R-G] An interview with Ward Churchill

[Anthony Fenton]

October 12, 2007
http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/1470
Genocide Denial and North American Academia
An interview with Ward Churchill
by Sara Falconer
The Dominion - http://www.dominionpaper.ca


It might be said that the measure of any decent smear campaign is the  
level to which the subject's own peers turn against them. If that's  
the case, Ward Churchill's defamers must be pretty pleased with  
themselves these days, as people of all political stripes line up to  
heap scorn on him.

Talking to him, you know this man is anything but defeated. Following  
his recent dismissal from the University of Colorado, he's taking his  
polemic show on the road, with stops next week in Ottawa, Toronto and  
Guelph.

Churchill became a professor of ethnic studies at the University of  
Colorado in 1990. His name was already well-known in activist  
circles, following a long stint as a leader of the American Indian  
Movement, and later as a national spokesperson for the Leonard  
Peltier Defense Committee. His books, from Agents of Repression to  
Pacifism as Pathology to A Little Matter of Genocide, are eye- 
opening, rending accounts of history, and staples on the shelves of  
thousands of people who are committed to social justice.

He gained widespread notoriety in 2005, when the media seized on an  
essay he had written on September 11, 2001 entitled "Some People Push  
Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens." In it, he suggested that  
American foreign policy was to blame for the attacks. He went on to  
say that some of those killed in the attacks were not "innocent"  
victims, but in fact the very people orchestrating and profiting from  
the imperialist system. He called them "little Eichmanns," a  
reference to the infamous Nazi bureaucrat.

The essay had appeared on a fairly obscure website, and didn't  
attract much public attention until 2005, when Churchill was  
scheduled to speak at Hamilton College in New York State. Former  
Stalinist and current right wing writer David Horowitz, among others,  
led a campaign against Churchill which quickly picked up steam. Right  
wing radio host Bob Newman went so far as to argue that he should be  
executed for treason.

Under considerable pressure, the University of Colorado began  
investigating claims that Churchill had falsified and plagiarized  
some of his research. In 2006, a five-person investigative panel  
announced that it had found evidence of misconduct, but was split as  
to whether he should be fired, especially given the questionable  
timing of the allegations.

Eleven professors at the university signed a complaint against the  
investigation, saying that the committee violated standard scholarly  
practices and was biased against Churchill. He has continued to deny  
any misconduct, but was fired in July. He filed a lawsuit against the  
university, claiming that his dismissal was retaliatory, and  
contravened his right to freedom of expression. Free speech is  
constitutionally protected regardless of the popularity of the  
perspective, he argues.

You'd like to think that academia, if nothing else, is a bastion for  
bold ideas, a last refuge for unpopular speech.

Significantly, the "roosting chickens" title is a nod to a Malcolm X  
quote on the assassination of John F. Kennedy, who called it a simple  
case of "chickens coming home to roost." The comment was undoubtedly  
received with as much enthusiasm in Malcolm X's time as Churchill's  
essay has in the years following its publication.

In a lively interview with Newsweek shortly after his dismissal, he  
refused to apologize for the "little Eichmanns" statement, in  
characteristically ardent terms:

"I never have any particular regrets about calling things by their  
right name. And it's about time we stop pretending that Americans are  
in a completely different analytical category from everyone else in  
the world, and are somehow exempt from the consequences of their  
actions."

Churchill is no stranger to unpopular ideas. Many of his writings  
have focused on the genocide of Indigenous peoples in Canada and the  
US. Inspired in part by resistance to his own work, Churchill's  
current speaking tour focuses on what he calls "the denial of  
genocide in American academia."

"If you were making the exact same arguments and using same  
techniques to deny the holocaust in Germany, you would be guilty of a  
crime in Canada," he says.

Most deniers of the German holocaust are nuts, fringe types, he  
explains. "When you're talking about native people exactly the same  
thing is done, only it's the mainstream of academic discourse."

Churchill makes a convincing argument that the historic and systemic  
oppression of this continent's Indigenous populations does indeed fit  
within the official definition of genocide as found in the 1948  
United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the  
Crime of Genocide, which specifies "...any of the following acts  
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national,  
ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:"

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life  
calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

"It's no more acceptable when something is done to victims of one  
genocide than when it's done to another set of victims," he says. "If  
the... Zundel types are repugnant--and they are--then the people who  
would deny the native genocide are just as repugnant."

One of the main differences in this context, he points out, is that  
European whites were largely successful in their conquest. And the  
victors, of course, write history.

"If you'd had a Nazi victory in Eastern Europe, the situation of any  
Jews who survived... would have been quite discernibly different."

At its best, academia can be a space for people of colour and  
Indigenous peoples to develop their own histories. Churchill presents  
a different analysis of history, and he doesn't much care if the mass  
media or his political opponents like it.

Overall, he says, Canadians have been more receptive than Americans  
to his message. He does as many talks in Canada as he does in the US,  
despite the much smaller population.

"One suspects it is in part because Canadians - and even progressive  
Canadians - tend to view their history as rather less genocidal than  
that of the United States," he muses.

"Canada didn't resort to the same direct killing techniques... but  
that's hardly an indication that the genocidal policy wasn't  
effective, just that the techniques employed were different."

He cites articles A and B of the genocide convention--imposing  
serious physical or mental harm, and inflicting destructive  
conditions of life.

"Surely in Canada it's clear that native peoples are subjected to  
various forms of psychological battering, and physical battering in  
the sense of endemic poverty," he says.

Falling back on the argument that Canada's treatment of the  
Indigenous population hasn't been as brutal as that of the US doesn't  
cut it either. "If you're talking about a worse genocide than another  
genocide, then you're arguing for a 'good' genocide.

"That's part of what I'm about, is calling people on their self- 
absolutionist stances. Canadians like to pretend that they're  
qualitatively different than Americans, and they're not."

Likewise, the Canadian myth of a "mosaic" society is deliberately  
oblivious to systemic racism. "You have to be in a state of extreme  
denial to be blind to the profundity of racism in society," he adds.  
"You really have to be a Nazi or a Klansman to come out and celebrate  
being a racist... At least they're honest. They're relatively easy to  
deal with. It's the mass of deniers who continue to profit from a  
racist society which is far more insidious."

"Give me a Klansman any day; at least I know exactly who I'm dealing  
with."

Churchill's sense of humour comes through again as he turns to the  
controversy surrounding his 9/11 essay. His favorite moment, he  
recalls, was reading a headline in a Maoist publication: "Ward  
Churchill fired for calling little Eichmanns little Eichmanns."

"The only people upset are in fact those who would be encompassed  
within my meaning of the term little Eichmanns," he says. "I'm not  
getting it from communities of colour. I'm not getting it from poor  
people."

With all of the focus on his dismissal from university, there is a  
risk that people aren't listening to what he has to say about racism  
and imperialism, and clearly that's what frustrates him most.

"If they can discredit my scholarship they can discredit my analysis,  
and if they can discredit my analysis they can reinforce the status  
quo," he fumes.

Some detractors went as far as questioning his Native American  
heritage. And although there were rumblings that Karl Rove had a  
direct hand in his targeting, Churchill, who has written extensively  
about the government's illegal and corrupt Counterintelligence  
Program (Cointelpro) against civil rights era activists, shrugs them  
off.

"Cointelpro has been assimilated into the media to the point that you  
don't actually need intelligence agencies' involvement most of the  
time," he says.

Still, there's more than a hint of those bad old days in the air,  
with leftist writers and academics eagerly siding with those who want  
to dismiss Churchill as a kooky extremist. People like Todd Gitlin-- 
who are considered left, but not too left, get a big share of the  
media attention surrounding this case.

"Most of my generation has sold out so long ago for so fucking cheap  
that it gives me generational embarrassment," Churchill says.

He believes that there is still hope for a broad social justice  
movement, outside of the currently established left. "It's not going  
to be people who work for the Nation, or the Progressive. It's  
certainly not going to be any part of the 'responsible left.'"

"We need to constitute an actual left. And that's going to come by  
and large from the new generation."

As a professor, Churchill was extremely popular with University of  
Colorado students, who have invited him to teach a "voluntary" class.  
The course is entitled "ReVisioning American History: Colonization,  
Genocide, and Formation of the US Settler State."

After years of weathering attacks, Churchill offers advice to budding  
activists. "Take clear positions and remain consistent and people  
will come to you. Don't worry about alienating people who are  
fundamentally sold out... Strip them of their privilege, they're  
gonna be alienated. I thought that was the goal."
Ward Churchill's speaking schedule:

OTTAWA: October 16, 7 pm
Alumni Auditorium, University of Ottawa
$5-20 sliding scale admission, nobody turned away
Tickets available at Exile Infoshop, OPIRG Carleton, and OPIRG Ottawa

TORONTO: October 17, 7 pm
Rm. 3154, Medical Sciences Building
University of Toronto
Sliding scale of $5-$20
Organised by:
CERTAIN DAYS calendar committee - www.certaindays.org
EXILE INFOSHOP – exilebooks.org
York GSA - www.yugsa.ca

GUELPH: October 18, 7 pm
University Centre, Room 103, University of Guelph
Suggested donation $5-20. Proceeds will go to Indigenous struggles  
and solidarity work
Space is limited – register in advance to guarantee a seat
OPIRG-Guelph, 519.824.2091, opirgguelphvolunteer at yahoo.ca