[R-G] Fwd: [mgp] "reform is the training ground for revolution".

aaron at istop.com aaron at istop.com
Tue May 25 22:31:09 MDT 2004


Forwarded From: "aaron at istop.com" <aaron at istop.com>

> I admit, I have looked at the green platform and some of there platform 
> policies seem to be more progressive then even the NDP,ie. alternative 
Canada 
> food guide for followers of a vegitarian diet and also a 32 hour work week.
>   The basic problem with the green party is that it is not rooted in the 
> working class. The leader of the greens is by his own account, an eco-
> capitalist. There is a contradiction if I ever heard one!! Eco and 
capitalist 
> go together like oil and water, like socialist and capitalist. At least if 
> you vote for a workers capitalist party(The NDP) when they sell you out, 
like 
> they have done provincially in the past,Labour is well oenough organised(I 
> hope) to hold the fire to the feet of the NDP. Workers have the ability to 
> withold there labour and in so doing, they can change the way the world is 
> run. The workers are the only class that can end exploitation, envronmental 
> destruction and war.You may be able to get some unity with consumers about 
> buying organic as opposed to not organic, but when it comes to exploitation 
> consumers can only wine and complain and have boycotts. The only thing 
> boycotts do is changes the quality of the item being consumed,(if it is 
sucessful) boycotts 
can't 
> change the basic dynamics of the system,What Marx call "the laws of motion 
of 
> the system", namely the drive for accumulation, the exploitation of wage 
> labour and the tendancy for capitalist crises. The inherent evils of the 
> basic dynamics of capitalism can only be dealt with effectively by those 
who 
> run the means of production, not by those who buy the fruits of labor. Eco- 
> capitalist parties make you think that you have power as a consumer and 
> because of that you can change things. The fact is the single mom with 2 
kids 
> still has to buy kraft dinner, she still will buy the $500 dollar clunker 
car 
> to get to work as apposed to the $20,00 electric car.
>   Also, we in the SJM(social justice movment) talk of unity all the time 
and 
> we see it allot of the time, the teamster/turtle alliance in seatle, the 
> pagans and the blac bloc and during the g-8 in calgary, rank and file 
> unionist and food not bombs worked together to cook vegitarian meals to 
feed 
> the protesters. When it comes to voting, and we must respect the right of 
> those who choose not to vote but that does not mean we do not try to 
> convience people of the nececities of voting:our unity falls apart. We need 
> to vote strategically. The only parties that are registered in this 
election 
> that can build in reforms that will help bring about a tranformation of 
> society are 1, The Marxist-lenninist, who maybe have 500 card carrying 
> members and 10,000 or so supporters and are running candidates in a few 
> ridings, 2 The communist party who are in a simmalar way, altho the were 
> stronger in the 30 and 40's not only electing candidates to parliment but 
> were an important part on the ground and in the factories helping with 
stuff 
> like strikes and getting thousands involved in the international brigades 
> that fought against franco and the facsists. 3 last but not least you have 
> the NDP Who is the only left wing party poiesed to make gains and possibly 
> become opposition, the other 2, athough there platform calls for good 
> reforms, do not stand a chance in hell of electing anyone this upcoming 
> election. I will be the first to admit that the NDP is too anthropocentric 
as 
> opposed to ecocentric.but the problem with  environmentalists,(and I am an 
environmentalist) is that some 
> can be a little too ecocentric. Let's get one thing strait as much as I 
love 
> the trees and see them as much as my friends as do I see humans in my 
> communitty, Trees are trees and humans are humans and never the twain shall 
> meet!!!I have a passionate love for our planet, all the boimass and all the 
> animals, but if you let your passions outweigh you logic, you will likely 
> vote incorrectly. If one has a logical understanding of the dialectics of 
> nature, they will realise that The groundwork for self-emancipation of the 
> working-class of aoutonomy of self determenation and an end of all 
> exploitation will never in a million years come from voting for the 
greens!! 
> I realise that capitalism is the cause of environmental degradation and 
> because of that I am not going to vote for a eco-capitalist party. I hope 
all 
> of those who are thinking of voting green out there will see the logic of 
my 
> argument and follow me in voting for the NDP in the next election. Like 
rosa 
> luxemburg said, "reform is the training ground for revolution". We all want 
a 
> green revolution to happen, but that will only come to pass with a wokers 
> revolution. Capitalism is pregnant with it's opposite. The russian 
revolution 
> was crushed by the fact that nieve, arrogant marxists in germany did not 
have 
> a full understanding of marx's theories. They nievly believed that the 
> contradictions in the capitalist system would naturally play out and they 
> only had to sit by passively and watch a natural transformation of society. 
> Let us on the left, Red, green or whatever not make the same mistake the 
> german social democrats made. As much as I hate our parlimentary and 
> electoral sytem, I also realise that it can be a catylyst for reforms and 
the 
> only party capable of pushing through reforms for the workers and the 
> environment are the NDP!!PLEASE GO AND VOTE AND VOTE NDP! The final choice 
is 
> ultamatley yours. if you do vote, make sure it it based on  logic rather 
then 
> your passions. And just because you choose to vote, that does not mean you 
> are legitimising the state.You vote, because you choose to. If you vote, It 
> does not mean you are admitting the state is the end all and be all. you 
will 
> not automatically be defined as a voter and not an anarchist or a 
> revolutionary if you decide to vote, that idea is rediculas. We will still 
be 
> revolutionaries the day before the vote and the day after the vote. Voting 
> will not change that. We will not loose our identities as revolutionaries 
> just because we decide to vote. I do not think it will hurt us to vote. 
> Besides having the possibility for putting through reforms, our voting may 
> help build comunication between The activist comunity and the middle class 
> voters. some revolutions are lost or won on the backs of the middle class. 
> Marx was a supporter of starting where your at. The middle class voters who 
> we want to become revolutionaries are at the point where they think the 
> voting system is it. Let's not only engage the middle class at the coffe 
> shops and newstands or at ball or whatever but also in the voting line and 
in 
> the lead up to the vote. Again the choice is yours, I just hope you are 
happy 
> with your choice of choosing or not choosing to vote
>                                               Aaron 
> 
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