[R-G] Howard Zinn interviewed by La Jiribilla in Havana
mstainsby at resist.ca
Tue May 18 13:12:06 MDT 2004
Richard Menec wrote:
> You can praise all you want about the glories of production-for-profit, but
> there are limits. Much of what you say historically is correct; but now
> we're faced with a different set of problems, and far more urgent ones.
I'm with Richard on this. For all the hand wringin that revolutionaries and
left radicals exhibit over the inevitable failures of "socialism in one
country", we spend way too much time ignoring that you can't have the kind
of glorious bounty of capitalism in one country that Bill expresses without
a dozen or so manufacturing countries, resources that cannot be even sold
at a fraction of their actual value, etc.
In other words, the fantasy development of the USSR is nothing compared to
the lie of a global market. And, in so far as the USSR would bleed from the
centre out (in contradiction to the global capitalist world market before,
after and time immemorial) it goes to logic to point that the isolation,
blockading, disruption, sabotage, etc of any alternative market (whether
run by Mother Teresa or Satan) played a much greater role in keeping only
the very small heartland of capitalism plentiful and the USSR not as much so.
Compared to all other countries that did not force their satellites to pour
wealth into their social and economic vaults, state (as Parenti calls
them, "Siege") socialist experiments have produced higher standards of
living than all others. Brazil and India are far better examples to compare
to the USSR or China than anything to do with the US or Europe. Comparing
imperialist countries to socialist ones is like comparing the standards of
living amongst brokers on Wall St to rank and file members of the AFL-CIO
and thinking that you have proved something.
In the contradiction lies the hope
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