[R-G] Rick Wilhelm on John Kerry

[Dan Murray]

What's interesting about all of this is that Baby Doc Duvalier is
considering coming home from his exile in the French Riviera..
Milosevic, Duvalier, I guess crimes against humanity all depend on who's
side you're on.

Dan

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> Macdonald wrote:
>
> > Both interventions were launched in order to maintain the besty set up
for
> > the Empire. The intervention under Clinton was not carried out for
democracy.
>
> I can't speak to motives in that I don't have an X-ray of Clinton's
thoughts. However, the practical net effect of intervening in Haiti in the
1990s was to put back in place the president the Haitian people had elected,
Aristide.
>
> I won't quarrel with the notion that this did not, by and of itself, alter
civil society of Haiti in any fundamental way. Yet, arguably, it was a move
in favor of democracy and the folks running the Clinton White House, which
included Clinton himself, certainly knew that would be the effect. It was a
first in Western Hemisphere history: marines put back in power someone
populist and elected.
>
> In contrast, the folks running Bush White House, which does not include
Bush, without doubt want the old guard of corrupt oligarchs and military men
in Port-au-Prince, just as they want them in Caracas. Their moves leave no
doubt that they knew where their actions would lead. The effect is opposite
to that of the Clinton move.
>
> Sure, we can agree that neither intervention is revolutionary in
transforming Haitian society into an economic and social democracy. But
they're not identical.
>
> I would argue that Kerry would follow the Clinton approach.
>
> Again, I see nothing but despair and deepening suffering with Bush. I do
not see a magical transformation of the world into a socialist paradise by
the election of Kerry, but I do think the trend towards utter disaster for
millions might be stopped or blunted.
>
> I'm past the point of seeing "revolutionary conditions" in every setback.
Let's build on some wins, however meager.
>
> Lapwing
> >
> >
> > Lapwing wrote:
> >
> > > I would expect that the interference with elected officials in
Venezuela
> > > (and Haiti) would end. Clinton and Bush are two opposite side of the
> > > coin there. Clinton intervened to restore an elected leader, Bush to
> > > depose two. So, yes, there can be a difference.
> >
> >
> > AS far as Venezuela, remember that the Contras may have been primarily
> > identified with Reagan, but they were launched by Carter's admin.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Macdonald Stainsby
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> > In the contradiction lies the hope
> > --Brecht.
> >
> >
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