[Marxism] flu origins, again

[Craig Brozefsky]

"Joaquin Bustelo" <jbustelo at gmail.com> writes:

> Bozefsky latches on to ENTIRELY DIFFERENT pig farms and viral
> strains identified more than a decade ago to comment ironically,
> "Don't forget these idiotic American leftists," pointing to
> scientific articles and an interview with the (BTW Argentine) head
> of virology at the CDC. As if this, in any way, in the slightest,
> challenged or undercut what I had said.

I don't think the issue at hand is my ability to read, but your
assumption that I was presenting that interview as evidence of the hog
farm in La Gloria being the origin of this particular strain.  

That would be VERY odd considering both the blog article and the
interview with the CDC virologist suggested the mixing likely did not
occur in Mexico.  Same with the other articles I posted links too less
than an hour before I responded to you.

Lastly, it would also be at odds with what I actually wrote in
response to your comment that the WW's articles statement that the flu
"may actually have origins in the US as well as Asia." was "proof" of
ignorance.

So let's go back to that:

     Of particular interest is the link to an interview with a CDC
     virologists who discusses the lineage of the virus and it's
     origin in hog farming, but also mixing with multiple steps where
     pig->human tranmission occured, and then back, resulting in a mix
     of NA and Asian viral components.

So the picture being drawn here is not of some horrid bug from the
shit pits of La Gloria.  Rather, we have virii in several different
resevoirs around the world, recombining across species barriers.  In
this case the majority of the virus is a NA swine variant (which
already included human and avian elements) and a couple of new
components from Asia.

The MMWR [1] I posted in another article mentioned a patient with
symptoms starting on March 17th.  There is a confirmed case in
California dating March 28th.  This predate and coincide with the La
Gloria "patient zero" onset, so the flu was already active in three
locations and at this point likely going human-to-human since the US
cases had no pig contact.

The problem we have with going futher back than this is a limited
number of samples that are subtyped, and how long non-matching samples
stick around.  The interview with with Mexican lab[2], that I posted
earlier today, touches on this some.  Apparently some of the
non-matching samples in the US were retyped and matched the h1n1/2009
(swine flu) going back to late March.  I don't know if there were no
matches before that, or if those were the oldest samples they had.

[1] http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm58d0430a2.htm
[2] http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2009/05/exclusive-inter.html


-- 
Sincerely, Craig Brozefsky              <craig at red-bean.com>