[Marxism] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

[S. Artesian]

I have to disagree here with Louis over the "ideological mandate" defining 
our troll Cloke's post as trolling.

Certainly the post is a piece of troll bait, but not because of troll 
Cloke's ideological position, but rather because he uses the post to avoid 
engaging with the concrete content of his positions-- to obscure and evade. 
It, troll Cloke's post, is like-- no, not like, it is exactly identical to a 
post "answering" the torture and execution of  Iraqi prisoners by US 
military and govt. personnel by referring to Saddam Hussein's 
well-established practice of execution of his enemies.

What our troll Cloke refuses to engage is the impact of his "plague on both 
your houses" attitude not on the workers of Argentina, but on those of 
Britain-- in that without breaking with Thatcher's military intervention, 
without breaking with this legacy, outpost, remnant of the British empire, 
the UK working class was setting itself up for capitulation when Thatcher 
unleashed her "stirring," "patriotic,"  assault on labor.

So what was the single most important step that Marxists and workers needed 
to take regarding Thatcher's dispatchment of the military to the Malvinas? 
Defeat of its own military-- defeat of its own military regardless of the 
nature of the government of Argentina; defeat of its own military regardless 
of the war of the military of Argentina against its own working class; 
defeat of its own military regardless of whatever position Marxists in 
Argentina, or anywhere else in the world, took.

And in his equivocation on this issue, our troll Cloke provides nothing but 
comfort to that legacy of British imperalism, nothing but support to the 
defeat of the British working class.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3 at panix.com>
To: <sartesian at earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make 
you free


> Shane Mage wrote: