[Marxism] A velvet revolution in Iran?
Jscotlive at aol.com
Jscotlive at aol.com
Mon Jun 22 17:01:28 MDT 2009
Louis:
The real struggle is not about "fraud". It is about clerical rule. It
amazes me that Marxists can defend an election in which over 40 female
candidates were ruled ineligible out of the gate.
Reply:
Clerical rule may be the issue as far as you and others are concerned, but
it's certainly not the issue as far as US-led imperialism is concerned.
The Islamic Republic emerged from and exists according to concrete
material conditions. As I've said elsewhere, it is inconceivable that Marxists,
materialists, should negate these material conditions when providing an
analysis of this crisis.
The overriding experience which Iran, and neighbouring societies in the
Middle East, have had of modernity and European enlightenment values has been
occupation, colonisation, puppet dictatorships, humiliation, and
dislocation. As such, is it any wonder that nations who've suffered the
aforementioned would might reject modernity and anything to do with the values of their
oppressor?
I worry when I hear Marxists focusing on symptoms rather than causes. It
suggests to me the substituting of a dialectical for a metaphysical analysis.
Women are debarred from standing in elections in Iran. Considered in
isolation, and through the prism of western societies, hardly progressive. But
the notion that the purity of bourgeois-style elections should be the litmus
test as to whether we lend support to a state or not seems to me weak when
considered in isolation from historical and geopolitical factors.
Yes, in the West women are allowed to stand in elections, and even sit in
and head governments. The irony of course is that we're talking about
governments responsible for depriving women throughout the Middle East and the
developing world of an even more fundamental right - the right not to be
slaughtered and not to see their children slaughtered in the cause of
imperialism.
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