[Marxism] Hamas is hoping for an IDF ground operation

S. Artesian sartesian at earthlink.net
Thu Jan 1 06:04:12 MST 2009


Obfuscate the issue?  That there is Zionist seizure of property, expulsion 
of the original occupiers of the property, immiseration of that population, 
then using it as a disposable labor force, and throughout using military 
force in the extreme to maintain these conditions are NOT the issues HERE. 
Those are the conditions.

The issue is how best to reverse, defeat, overcome those conditions.  That's 
where analysis and criticism come in-- and play a vital role as expressions 
of actual solidarity, rather than simple endorsement.

As for patronisation-- better that than the attempts to confuse an attempt 
at real analysis ith
obfuscation.  The real obfuscation is in just that attempt to conflate 
critical analysis with "Cruise Missile Left," as if the former has anything 
to do with the latter.

Certainly it is the interests of the international working class to defeat 
Israel.  But how is that to be accomplished?  5-10 years ago when Fatah 
dominated the PLO (RC is correct in that, although other organizations in 
the PLO did subscribe to these policies), the same need to defeat Israel 
existed.  Should criticisms have been made then?  Certainly Palestinians 
made them.  When Jenin was destroyed should criticisms have been made before 
or after that destruction?  If so, how is that different from today?  If 
not, how is  the international working class to avoid repeating the same 
dismal experience?

Thanks for cathechism about moral equivalency between oppressed and 
oppressor, and the balance sheet of progressivism regarding democratic 
Israelis and Islamic fundamentalists. That wasn't a bit patronising.

However, nobody here is endorsing Israeli democrats or supporting Israel's 
actions against Islamic fundamentalists, just as nobody here is supporting 
US Democrats and their actions against the Taliban in Afghanistan/Pakistan. 
That doesn't mean that Islamic fundamentalists offer any prospect for 
overthrow of the actions of such "democrats."   And THAT is the issue. It is 
in the interest of the international proletariat to say exactly those 
things-- no support for the "democrats,"  defend ALL Palestinians from 
Israeli attack, no illusions in an Islamic revolution.

If the prospect of defeat doesn't demand critical analysis along with 
solidarity, then Marxism has been stripped of its concrete practicality.






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