[Marxism] Social movements don't die in the DP

[S. Artesian]

Marvin,

I am responding only because you accuse my of misrepresenting your positon, 
not because I want to continue a debate about those positions.

You really haven't been subject to "any shit" about this, and you have 
certainly given as well as you got when it comes to snide remarks-- for 
example claiming that myself and others don't see the Voting Rights Act as 
an achievement for the civil rights struggle.

What stands out in all this however is your later statement:

"The fact that the liberal bourgeoisie no longer plays a progressive role in
the broad  historical sense seems to me to be beside the point, which is
that, in terms of contemporary politics, the liberal DP and SD parties and
the forces they represent are "all there is" to block the conservative and
reactionary parties to their right who want to rollback the historical gains
of the masses and weaken their organizations."


Now that's not even reformism, that's last stand against the barbarians, and 
"contemporary politics" includes, by your own admission since we are talking 
about the failure of revolution a time frame larger than this decade or the 
past decade, but extending back at least 60 years, and forward  for who 
knows how long given your view that the DP is all there is.

If I have misunderstood your position, then I apologize, but it was based on 
that statement above.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marvin Gandall" <marvgandall at videotron.ca>
To: <sartesian at earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Social movements don't die in the DP