[Marxism] Social movements don't die in the DP

[S. Artesian]

Last licks--

If we want to talk about the failure of the working classes to make a 
revolution (and that failure is not confined to the West), that's one thing.

But we're not, or at least, Marvin isn't.  The issue was/is drawn up from 
Marvin already reaching a conclusion about that failure:  that the 
Democratic, or social-democratic, party "is all there is."

In that conclusion the failure is the once, future, and forever condition.

Now Joaquin and others have asserted that the failure itself is based on the 
incorporation of workers into the spoils system of imperialism.

Others have pointed to the sustained, and powerful, assaults on working 
class organizations and living standards.  Others to the problems of 
leadership.

Others, based on their original conclusion and not their subsequent 
question, argue initially that the SD parties provide access to the workers 
with the possibility to win the workers.... to what?  Away from the SD 
structures?  Or to moving the SDs to the left?  But that initial argument 
quickly gets transformed into nothing but arguing that the SD organizations 
are a "last" and if not best, then only, hope of resistance to reaction. 
And that argument is thoroughly idealistic, having no support in the 
material demands of capital and the struggle against those demands.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marvin Gandall" <marvgandall at videotron.ca>
To: <sartesian at earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Social movements don't die in the DP