[Marxism] Obama win does not end racism, activists say

[S. Artesian]

ML:  The appeal of the rhetoric at the top and the aspirations of the base 
are dialectically related, aren't they?  This is a symbiotic process,  but 
the latter doesn't disappear when there is no longer a functional  use for 
the former.
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Really? I have yet to see a dialectic like that.  Dialectic means that each 
exists in, and pretty much only in, the organization of the other.  I mean 
in a revolutionary society like Russia was supposed to be, there was a 
dialectic, or supposed to be, between party and class, and that dialectic 
had an organization, a mediation, called soviets. Where is there any similar 
organization, mediation in the "hope for change" sentiment around Obama? 
Where's the real form of the dialectic, the critical social relationship 
which we all know since Marx, a dialectic must assume?

So the rhetoric at the top exists in the aspiration at the base, and vice 
versa?  What  are the components of the rhetoric (there's an oxymoron for 
you), and of the "aspirations"?

I suggested some concrete areas for examining the rhetoric and the 
aspirations, like the economy, like healthcare. So what are the mechanisms 
for that symbiotic relationship?  Popularity polls?  Approval ratings?

As for the New Deal and the Good Neighbor Policy and the industrial union 
movement and the USSR-- industrial unionism was an articulated goal of John 
L. Lewis before 1932.  The three major strikes, Minneapolis Teamsters, West 
Coast Longeshoreman, Toledo Auto-Lite  all took place in 1934-- a year or so 
after FDR's inauguration, and didn't just drop from the sky.  The struggle 
led to the CIO, but the struggle existed well before the founding convention 
of November 1935..

And the appeal of the Russian Revoluton to the countries of Latin America 
had grown throughout the 1920s and 1930s.


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From: "Mark Lause" <markalause at gmail.com>
To: <sartesian at earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Obama win does not end racism, activists say


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