[Marxism] Kosova and the right of nations to self-determination | Links

[mkaradjis at theplanet.net.au]

Proyect:

> Don't you read your own literature that gets posted here? Karadjis
> says that oppression is NOT NECESSARY. Every nation has the right to
> self-determination. Period. End of discussion. Why don't you chappies
> sort it out among yourselves and then get back to us when you have
> made up your democratic centralist mind.

This seems to stem from this counterposition Proyect attempted:

Norm Dixon:
> "The demand for the right of national self-determination APPLIES ONLY
> to oppressed nations."
>
> Michael Karadjis:
> "But while many leftists accept this right in theory, some claim it
> is LIMITED TO STRUGGLES by oppressed peoples **against imperialism** ...
But > this WASN'T HOW LENIN viewed it at all."
>
> Louis Proyect:
> More progress on the DSP "democratic centralism" front.

Wrong. My entire phrase was not "oppressed peoples" but "oppresed people's
against imperialism." That is because I have seen that view expressed,
including on this list. Kosovar Albanians, Eritreans, Kurds, East
Timorese, Papuans, Tamils etc are oppressed peoples, but are not
struggling against imperialist states. My pointy was that *in general* the
right of s-d still applies.