[Marxism] Cubans see hope for change in Obama - SentUsingGoogle Toolbar

[S. Artesian]

Devil is in the details, so please tell me in the 1960s what concessions did 
the middle classes make to the workers, and on what did the middle class not 
concede? And how was it possible when after, 1973, and 1979 when the 
bourgeoisie went on the offensive against the workers in response to the 
decline in the rate of profit, no such offensive was undertaken against the 
Cuban workers?

More detail:  What gains have been eroded,  and does that mean that prior to 
the erosion Cuba was a worker state?

Joint ventures, tourism, yes all that exists and they do have serious 
consequences but do those things, in and of themselves, constitute a change 
in the class basis of society?  If so, does that mean Cuba was a workers 
state prior to 1992 and the withdrawal of Soviet support? And if not, and if 
the fSU was not a workers state, why, in the fSU, did the pre-existing 
economic and political organization require, almost literally, demolition 
before capitalism could "blossom" freely?

Speaking of the fSU, does anyone  believe that Cuba would have survived 
without the material support and protection of the fSU?  So does Yossi 
believe Cuba was a colony of the imperial USSR?  If so, can you show the 
export of capital, not from the USSR to Cuba, but its expanded re-export 
back to the USSR?

As for wage rates-- the lower rates in Cuba do not mean that Cuban workers 
are more exploited than those in Argentina.  Recall Marx's COTP-- where 
deductions will be made from workers' compensation to support social needs--  
education, healthcare, income for those who cannot work, for infants, 
elderly-- those things constitute a critical part of the social renumeration 
of the class, its social "wage."

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From: "yossi schwartz" <ssschwartz8 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:42 PM
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