[Marxism] A clarification of my view of Kosova independence and Kosova "independence"

[Louis Proyect]

Ben Courtice wrote:
> The essence of the difference, it seems, is that Mike K is calling for 
> NATO/UN etc troops to leave and let Kosovo be (as an independent state, 
> presumably, with all the caveats that apply in this neo-colonial world, 
> a la East Timor). On the other hand unless I've been reading wrong, 
> Feldman and Proyect, et al, call for Kosovo to be returned to Serbia. 
> Which army will enforce this upon the people of Kosova? The Serbian army 
> or the NATO army? How is either progressive or helpful?

After the Otpor/B-92/Soros coup in Serbia, I pretty much withdrew from 
the fray. My only interest was in seeing Milosevic withstand imperialist 
pressure, understanding of course that you people saw him as worse than 
Attila the Hun (I'll take Attila the Hun over Attila the Hoare any day 
of the week.)

> Mike Karadjis has been calling, on this list, for the NATO/UN occupiers 
> to leave Kosova for years. Usually when he asks for clarification from 
> other list members like Louis what they think of this he has been met 
> with stony silence. Is this because the comrades realise that their 
> so-pure opposition to everything the imperialists might want or use 
> leads them into a tactical impasse?

My main interest in Kosovo after NATO's victory was calling attention to 
the persecution of Serbs and Roma. Too bad that you could find no 
coverage about that in Green Left. I suppose they had in coming to them 
because they were unenthusiastic about living in a country run by a thug 
like Thaci.

> 
> The issue now is: if Kosovo becomes independent (as is the aspiration of 
> most of its population) are we to respect/accept that, or advocate 
> forcible re-conquest? Regardless of the past history in 1999, or for 
> that matter the DSP's alleged 1980s support for the Ustasha (I've heard 
> a better one -- young members of the Socialist Alternative here in 
> Melbourne go around saying the DSP supported the Chinese government's 
> massacre at Tienanmen Square! Maybe Louis ought to use that one too.)

You didn't support the Ustashe, you only supported the government that 
was trying to bring back the Ustashe. Isn't that obvious?