[Marxism] [French] Les calculs sordides et meurtriers deTel-Aviv

[Lüko Willms]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:11:59 +0100, S. Artesian wrote:

> The question is not so much 'can the colonial settler state actually destroy 
> the national aspiratons of the Palestinians'  but rather 'can the national 
> aspirations of the Palestinians destroy a colonial settler states?'
> 
> And I think history has shown that answer to be No.  A class-conscious 
> socialist movement is required.  Those two things, national aspirations and 
> class consciousness are not identical,  and while at a certain point such a 
> movement can grow out of such aspiratons, it is ony because at the bottom 
or 
> root of such 'nationalism,' there is the struggle for the emancipation of 
> labor.  

  I we can agree that the national aspirations merge with the class 
aspirations of the working classes, then we are in agreement. 

  "The interests of the nation can only be understood as the interests of the 
ruling class or of the class striving to become it", as Trotsky wrote in 
1931/2. 

  And that the working class can only take the lead of the oppressed nation 
when it champions the national aspirations of national liberation from foreign 
abnd racist oppression. 

> At a certain point the nationalism itself becomes opposed to 
> fulfilling that task.

  Not really. Have a look at Cuba -- even today, 60 years after the triumpf 
of the revolution, the nationalism, i.e. the struggle to defend the 
independence of the nation against the empire, is a much stronger motive 
than mere class interests of workers and farmers on the island. The interests 
of the working classes and of the oppressed nation are insolubly linked 
together. 

   The socialist egalitarianism is seen as a necessary measure to defend the 
nation against the empire in the North, and the advances in health and 
education are only possible by defending the independence and sovereignty 
of Cuba. 
 
   The fundamentals are not different in Palestina. The problem is only that 
there are bourgeois layers who betray the national aspirations by trying to 
find a niche for their business under the dominance of the colonial settler 
state Israel. 


Comradely yours, 

Lüko Willms
Frankfurt, Germany
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