From btarpley at sfasu.edu  Mon Nov  2 09:16:10 2009
From: btarpley at sfasu.edu (Bryan Tarpley)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:16:10 -0600
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
Message-ID: <56b3b1f80911020816v7695b3aaic7b5dcd435557690@mail.gmail.com>

I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South Central MLA
conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a breaking-in of Critical
Realism for literature, I generated much interest in how CR might impact
literary theory.  I referenced Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article
"Critical Realism and Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has
always touted itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know of
any other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?

Cheers,
Bryan Tarpley

-- 
Bryan Tarpley
Stephen F. Austin State University
936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu

From rgroff at slu.edu  Mon Nov  2 11:01:51 2009
From: rgroff at slu.edu (Ruth Groff)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:01:51 -0600
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
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References: <56b3b1f80911020816v7695b3aaic7b5dcd435557690@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Bryan,

One person you might even want to contact off-list is Tobin Nellhous.  Also,
congrats!

r.


On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Bryan Tarpley <btarpley at sfasu.edu> wrote:

> I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South Central MLA
> conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a breaking-in of
> Critical
> Realism for literature, I generated much interest in how CR might impact
> literary theory.  I referenced Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article
> "Critical Realism and Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has
> always touted itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know
> of
> any other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan Tarpley
>
> --
> Bryan Tarpley
> Stephen F. Austin State University
> 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> _______________________________________________
> Critical-Realism mailing list
> Critical-Realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/critical-realism
>

From ianverstegen at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  2 11:26:29 2009
From: ianverstegen at yahoo.com (Ian Verstegen)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:26:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
In-Reply-To: <6ad241360911021001j185909byf4c2a4059bff1cbb@mail.gmail.com>
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	<6ad241360911021001j185909byf4c2a4059bff1cbb@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Brian,
I would add the interesting work of Christopher Norris. He spoke at the second to last IACR meeting, although I wasn't there and don't know what he discussed. He has a generally critically realist outlook and has written most recently on the philosophy of science and epistemology. His early work, including a long-standing defense of Derrida as enlightenment thinker, is literary based and has not really been engaged by CR thinkers. 

 Ian Verstegen
http://ianverstegen.googlepages.com




________________________________
From: Ruth Groff <rgroff at slu.edu>
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Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 1:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature

Hi Bryan,

One person you might even want to contact off-list is Tobin Nellhous.  Also,
congrats!

r.


On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Bryan Tarpley <btarpley at sfasu.edu> wrote:

> I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South Central MLA
> conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a breaking-in of
> Critical
> Realism for literature, I generated much interest in how CR might impact
> literary theory.  I referenced Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article
> "Critical Realism and Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has
> always touted itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know
> of
> any other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan Tarpley
>
> --
> Bryan Tarpley
> Stephen F. Austin State University
> 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> _______________________________________________
> Critical-Realism mailing list
> Critical-Realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/critical-realism
>
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From nellhaus at mail.com  Mon Nov  2 16:58:59 2009
From: nellhaus at mail.com (Tobin Nellhaus)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:58:59 -0500
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
In-Reply-To: <56b3b1f80911020816v7695b3aaic7b5dcd435557690@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56b3b1f80911020816v7695b3aaic7b5dcd435557690@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1F2472ED3CC4D83A90AD7A879E119AF@Godiva>

Hi Bryan,

That's great to hear.  You might take a look at my "Signs, Social Ontology, 
and Critical Realism," Journal for the Theory of Social Behaviour 28.1 
(1998): 1-24.  It's primarily on semiotics and its implications for theories 
of social ontology, but might be of some interest.  You can track down my 
other articles through the usual literary databases, and I have some entries 
in the Dictionary of CR.  I've just submitted the final manuscript for a 
book on theater and CR; the primary issue there is explanatory rather than 
interpretive, but in any case the book should be out next summer or early 
fall.  There's an article by P. A. Lewis, "Metaphor and Critical Realism," 
Review of Social Economy 54.4 (1996): 487-506.  I think there's more 
floating around if you go digging.  Some of what's out there is more like 
ideology critique than literary analysis, but worth checking out.

Cheers,

Tobin


----- Original Message ----- 
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> I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South Central 
> MLA
> conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a breaking-in of 
> Critical
> Realism for literature, I generated much interest in how CR might impact
> literary theory.  I referenced Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 
> article
> "Critical Realism and Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has
> always touted itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know 
> of
> any other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan Tarpley
>
> -- 
> Bryan Tarpley
> Stephen F. Austin State University
> 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> _______________________________________________
> Critical-Realism mailing list
> Critical-Realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/critical-realism 



From leigh at totalpc.co.zw  Mon Nov  2 23:00:15 2009
From: leigh at totalpc.co.zw (Leigh Price)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:00:15 +0200
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
In-Reply-To: <56b3b1f80911020816v7695b3aaic7b5dcd435557690@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56b3b1f80911020816v7695b3aaic7b5dcd435557690@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EBC10155C154FCFBEE1C81DC2D70593@leighlaptop>

Dear Brian

I used a critical realist under-labouring of Fairclough's Critical Discourse
Analysis in my PhD. You can access it at
eprints.ru.ac.za/909/01/Price-phd-v1.pdf.

I also reviewed a book by Philip Tew called "The Contemporary British Novel"
p409 Journal of Critical Realism, Vol 5, No 2 (2006). Tew uses Critical
Realism in this book but, unfortunately, it was not a good example of
critical realism in action. Nevertheless, it is perhaps useful to see how a
too-shallow understanding of critical realism can lead one into hot water.
You can find the full text of my review at:
http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ojs/index.php/JCR/article/viewArticle/1489 

Regards,

Leigh

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Sent: 02 November 2009 18:16
To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature

I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South Central MLA
conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a breaking-in of Critical
Realism for literature, I generated much interest in how CR might impact
literary theory.  I referenced Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article
"Critical Realism and Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has
always touted itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know of
any other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?

Cheers,
Bryan Tarpley

-- 
Bryan Tarpley
Stephen F. Austin State University
936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
_______________________________________________
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From bptarpley at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 08:13:03 2009
From: bptarpley at gmail.com (Bryan Tarpley)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:13:03 -0600
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
In-Reply-To: <6EBC10155C154FCFBEE1C81DC2D70593@leighlaptop>
References: <56b3b1f80911020816v7695b3aaic7b5dcd435557690@mail.gmail.com>
	<6EBC10155C154FCFBEE1C81DC2D70593@leighlaptop>
Message-ID: <56b3b1f80911030713p4fde173bg278eb201a47e49ef@mail.gmail.com>

Ruth, Tobin, Ian, and Leigh:

Wow!  Thanks for all the pointers.  Sounds like I've got my Thanksgiving
reading cut out for me!  I'm hoping to do my dissertation on the
intersection of CR and Lit Theory, so this is all extremely helpful.

On a side note, I recently read Ruth's _Critical Realism, Post-positivism
and the Possibility of Knowledge_ and greatly enjoyed it.  I'd had trouble
parsing out exactly what Bhaskar's theory of truth was, and I felt Ruth's
treatment (and challenging) of this material was extremely helpful.  The
insistence that all truth claims are fallible and the reliance on the
correspondence theory of truth reminded me of the last few chapters of John
Searle's _The Construction of Social Reality_.  Has anyone looked at the
difference between what Searle preaches and CR?

Cheers,
Bryan


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Leigh Price <leigh at totalpc.co.zw> wrote:

> Dear Brian
>
> I used a critical realist under-labouring of Fairclough's Critical
> Discourse
> Analysis in my PhD. You can access it at
> eprints.ru.ac.za/909/01/Price-phd-v1.pdf.
>
> I also reviewed a book by Philip Tew called "The Contemporary British
> Novel"
> p409 Journal of Critical Realism, Vol 5, No 2 (2006). Tew uses Critical
> Realism in this book but, unfortunately, it was not a good example of
> critical realism in action. Nevertheless, it is perhaps useful to see how a
> too-shallow understanding of critical realism can lead one into hot water.
> You can find the full text of my review at:
> http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ojs/index.php/JCR/article/viewArticle/1489
>
> Regards,
>
> Leigh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Tarpley
> Sent: 02 November 2009 18:16
> To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
>
> I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South Central MLA
> conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a breaking-in of
> Critical
> Realism for literature, I generated much interest in how CR might impact
> literary theory.  I referenced Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article
> "Critical Realism and Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has
> always touted itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know
> of
> any other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan Tarpley
>
> --
> Bryan Tarpley
> Stephen F. Austin State University
> 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> _______________________________________________
> Critical-Realism mailing list
> Critical-Realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/critical-realism
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Bryan Tarpley
Stephen F. Austin State University
936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu

From louisirwin9 at verizon.net  Tue Nov  3 15:33:14 2009
From: louisirwin9 at verizon.net (Louis Irwin)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:33:14 -0500
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
In-Reply-To: <56b3b1f80911030713p4fde173bg278eb201a47e49ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0KSK00IXG1BDJ3R9@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>

Bryan,

Regarding your question about Searle's "Social Construction of Reality" and
its defense of the correspondence theory, I did a quick search of my email
attic and found I sent the following as part of a message to the list in
2006. I doubt it answers what you asked, but here it is anyway. There are
several bouts of debates on the list about whether CR is or is not committed
to the correspondence theory. (My view is that if CT is meant as a theory
that explains what truth is, then no. However, if CT merely expresses
complex relations between perceptions (or propositions) and what they are
about without being able to explain those relations, then yes. Ruth begs to
differ.)  --Louis Irwin

 The correspondence theory (CT) has a long and checkered history, but there
is an important critique of CT (made by Strawson against Austin in the 50s)
that is not anti-realist and should be considered in any argument over CT.
I will summarize Searle's exposition (in "The Construction of Social
Reality"): According to Strawson "there is an internal relation between
facts and true statements and that relation is such that there could not be
a genuine relation of correspondence between two independent entities.  Our
model of a genuine relational statement would be something like

	Seattle is north of Portland.

To find out whether such a relation obtains we might first identify Seattle,
then identify Portland, and then see whether they really stand in the
relation of the former being north of the latter.  But we can't do that with
the alleged relation of correspondence between statements and facts, because
in order to identify the fact we already have to [identify] the
corresponding true statement."  Strawson believes that statements of
correspondent, such as 

     "Snow is white" corresponds to the fact that snow is white,

do not express genuine relations between independent entities in the manner
of "Seattle is north of Portland"; rather they express pseudorelation on the
order of 

	Sam won a victory.
	Sally struck a blow.

There is not one thing, Sam, that we identify, and another thing, a victory,
that we also identify, and then we check to see if Sam stands in the winning
relation to the victory.  Once we have identified the victory and Sam, there
is nothing further to check - Sam's winning is already embedded in the
situation details in identifying the victory.  Likewise for Sally's blow.
Searle's agrees that there is this internal relation between facts and true
statements, and that this undermines the relational picture of
correspondence described above, but he defends a different picture of CT in
a way that links up with his theory of intentionality.  In any event, it is
important to ponder that statements of correspondence between statements and
facts cannot be understood in the manner of ordinary relation statements
(like "Seattle is north of Portland").

-----Original Message-----
From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
[mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Bryan
Tarpley
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:13 AM
To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature

Ruth, Tobin, Ian, and Leigh:

Wow!  Thanks for all the pointers.  Sounds like I've got my Thanksgiving
reading cut out for me!  I'm hoping to do my dissertation on the
intersection of CR and Lit Theory, so this is all extremely helpful.

On a side note, I recently read Ruth's _Critical Realism, Post-positivism
and the Possibility of Knowledge_ and greatly enjoyed it.  I'd had trouble
parsing out exactly what Bhaskar's theory of truth was, and I felt Ruth's
treatment (and challenging) of this material was extremely helpful.  The
insistence that all truth claims are fallible and the reliance on the
correspondence theory of truth reminded me of the last few chapters of John
Searle's _The Construction of Social Reality_.  Has anyone looked at the
difference between what Searle preaches and CR?

Cheers,
Bryan


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Leigh Price <leigh at totalpc.co.zw> wrote:

> Dear Brian
>
> I used a critical realist under-labouring of Fairclough's Critical 
> Discourse Analysis in my PhD. You can access it at 
> eprints.ru.ac.za/909/01/Price-phd-v1.pdf.
>
> I also reviewed a book by Philip Tew called "The Contemporary British 
> Novel"
> p409 Journal of Critical Realism, Vol 5, No 2 (2006). Tew uses 
> Critical Realism in this book but, unfortunately, it was not a good 
> example of critical realism in action. Nevertheless, it is perhaps 
> useful to see how a too-shallow understanding of critical realism can lead
one into hot water.
> You can find the full text of my review at:
> http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ojs/index.php/JCR/article/viewArticle/1
> 489
>
> Regards,
>
> Leigh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Tarpley
> Sent: 02 November 2009 18:16
> To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
>
> I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South 
> Central MLA conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a 
> breaking-in of Critical Realism for literature, I generated much 
> interest in how CR might impact literary theory.  I referenced 
> Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article "Critical Realism and 
> Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has always touted 
> itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know of any 
> other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan Tarpley
>
> --
> Bryan Tarpley
> Stephen F. Austin State University
> 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> _______________________________________________
> Critical-Realism mailing list
> Critical-Realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/critical-realism
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Critical-Realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/critical-realism
>



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From rgroff at slu.edu  Tue Nov  3 16:38:40 2009
From: rgroff at slu.edu (Ruth Groff)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:38:40 -0600
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
In-Reply-To: <0KSK00IXG1BDJ3R9@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <56b3b1f80911030713p4fde173bg278eb201a47e49ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<0KSK00IXG1BDJ3R9@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
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Louis!  Yay!  It's always so great when you weigh in!  Hope all's well.

Thanks so much, Bryan, for the mention.  I'm glad you liked the book.  I
don't know Searle at all, so will have to watch from the sidelines!

Warmly,
r.



On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Louis Irwin <louisirwin9 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Bryan,
>
> Regarding your question about Searle's "Social Construction of Reality" and
> its defense of the correspondence theory, I did a quick search of my email
> attic and found I sent the following as part of a message to the list in
> 2006. I doubt it answers what you asked, but here it is anyway. There are
> several bouts of debates on the list about whether CR is or is not
> committed
> to the correspondence theory. (My view is that if CT is meant as a theory
> that explains what truth is, then no. However, if CT merely expresses
> complex relations between perceptions (or propositions) and what they are
> about without being able to explain those relations, then yes. Ruth begs to
> differ.)  --Louis Irwin
>
>  The correspondence theory (CT) has a long and checkered history, but there
> is an important critique of CT (made by Strawson against Austin in the 50s)
> that is not anti-realist and should be considered in any argument over CT.
> I will summarize Searle's exposition (in "The Construction of Social
> Reality"): According to Strawson "there is an internal relation between
> facts and true statements and that relation is such that there could not be
> a genuine relation of correspondence between two independent entities.  Our
> model of a genuine relational statement would be something like
>
>        Seattle is north of Portland.
>
> To find out whether such a relation obtains we might first identify
> Seattle,
> then identify Portland, and then see whether they really stand in the
> relation of the former being north of the latter.  But we can't do that
> with
> the alleged relation of correspondence between statements and facts,
> because
> in order to identify the fact we already have to [identify] the
> corresponding true statement."  Strawson believes that statements of
> correspondent, such as
>
>     "Snow is white" corresponds to the fact that snow is white,
>
> do not express genuine relations between independent entities in the manner
> of "Seattle is north of Portland"; rather they express pseudorelation on
> the
> order of
>
>        Sam won a victory.
>        Sally struck a blow.
>
> There is not one thing, Sam, that we identify, and another thing, a
> victory,
> that we also identify, and then we check to see if Sam stands in the
> winning
> relation to the victory.  Once we have identified the victory and Sam,
> there
> is nothing further to check - Sam's winning is already embedded in the
> situation details in identifying the victory.  Likewise for Sally's blow.
> Searle's agrees that there is this internal relation between facts and true
> statements, and that this undermines the relational picture of
> correspondence described above, but he defends a different picture of CT in
> a way that links up with his theory of intentionality.  In any event, it is
> important to ponder that statements of correspondence between statements
> and
> facts cannot be understood in the manner of ordinary relation statements
> (like "Seattle is north of Portland").
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Tarpley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
>
> Ruth, Tobin, Ian, and Leigh:
>
> Wow!  Thanks for all the pointers.  Sounds like I've got my Thanksgiving
> reading cut out for me!  I'm hoping to do my dissertation on the
> intersection of CR and Lit Theory, so this is all extremely helpful.
>
> On a side note, I recently read Ruth's _Critical Realism, Post-positivism
> and the Possibility of Knowledge_ and greatly enjoyed it.  I'd had trouble
> parsing out exactly what Bhaskar's theory of truth was, and I felt Ruth's
> treatment (and challenging) of this material was extremely helpful.  The
> insistence that all truth claims are fallible and the reliance on the
> correspondence theory of truth reminded me of the last few chapters of John
> Searle's _The Construction of Social Reality_.  Has anyone looked at the
> difference between what Searle preaches and CR?
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Leigh Price <leigh at totalpc.co.zw> wrote:
>
> > Dear Brian
> >
> > I used a critical realist under-labouring of Fairclough's Critical
> > Discourse Analysis in my PhD. You can access it at
> > eprints.ru.ac.za/909/01/Price-phd-v1.pdf.
> >
> > I also reviewed a book by Philip Tew called "The Contemporary British
> > Novel"
> > p409 Journal of Critical Realism, Vol 5, No 2 (2006). Tew uses
> > Critical Realism in this book but, unfortunately, it was not a good
> > example of critical realism in action. Nevertheless, it is perhaps
> > useful to see how a too-shallow understanding of critical realism can
> lead
> one into hot water.
> > You can find the full text of my review at:
> > http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ojs/index.php/JCR/article/viewArticle/1
> > 489
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Leigh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of
> > Bryan Tarpley
> > Sent: 02 November 2009 18:16
> > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> >
> > I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South
> > Central MLA conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a
> > breaking-in of Critical Realism for literature, I generated much
> > interest in how CR might impact literary theory.  I referenced
> > Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article "Critical Realism and
> > Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has always touted
> > itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know of any
> > other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bryan Tarpley
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Tarpley
> > Stephen F. Austin State University
> > 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Critical-Realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
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From bill.hord at hccs.edu  Wed Nov  4 07:16:55 2009
From: bill.hord at hccs.edu (bill.hord)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:16:55 -0600
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
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In discussing Searle, we need to distinguish the 'construction of social reality' (the title of his book, and a view that he not only endorses but which he thinks is the best explanation for the social) from 'social construction of reality' (a position he rejects). Searle bases his theory of social reality on what he takes to be a realistic foundation: the world is there with its properties. This is where he differs from simple social construction views.

We use language, which is socially constructed (from non-constructed sounds, e.g.), to make statements about this now constructed and non-constructed world (he distinguishes social facts -- I have $10 in my pocket -- from brute facts -- there is [a piece of paper in my pocket]).

Bill Hord

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-----Original Message-----
From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu on behalf of Ruth Groff
Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 5:38 PM
To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
 
Louis!  Yay!  It's always so great when you weigh in!  Hope all's well.

Thanks so much, Bryan, for the mention.  I'm glad you liked the book.  I
don't know Searle at all, so will have to watch from the sidelines!

Warmly,
r.



On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Louis Irwin <louisirwin9 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Bryan,
>
> Regarding your question about Searle's "Social Construction of Reality" and
> its defense of the correspondence theory, I did a quick search of my email
> attic and found I sent the following as part of a message to the list in
> 2006. I doubt it answers what you asked, but here it is anyway. There are
> several bouts of debates on the list about whether CR is or is not
> committed
> to the correspondence theory. (My view is that if CT is meant as a theory
> that explains what truth is, then no. However, if CT merely expresses
> complex relations between perceptions (or propositions) and what they are
> about without being able to explain those relations, then yes. Ruth begs to
> differ.)  --Louis Irwin
>
>  The correspondence theory (CT) has a long and checkered history, but there
> is an important critique of CT (made by Strawson against Austin in the 50s)
> that is not anti-realist and should be considered in any argument over CT.
> I will summarize Searle's exposition (in "The Construction of Social
> Reality"): According to Strawson "there is an internal relation between
> facts and true statements and that relation is such that there could not be
> a genuine relation of correspondence between two independent entities.  Our
> model of a genuine relational statement would be something like
>
>        Seattle is north of Portland.
>
> To find out whether such a relation obtains we might first identify
> Seattle,
> then identify Portland, and then see whether they really stand in the
> relation of the former being north of the latter.  But we can't do that
> with
> the alleged relation of correspondence between statements and facts,
> because
> in order to identify the fact we already have to [identify] the
> corresponding true statement."  Strawson believes that statements of
> correspondent, such as
>
>     "Snow is white" corresponds to the fact that snow is white,
>
> do not express genuine relations between independent entities in the manner
> of "Seattle is north of Portland"; rather they express pseudorelation on
> the
> order of
>
>        Sam won a victory.
>        Sally struck a blow.
>
> There is not one thing, Sam, that we identify, and another thing, a
> victory,
> that we also identify, and then we check to see if Sam stands in the
> winning
> relation to the victory.  Once we have identified the victory and Sam,
> there
> is nothing further to check - Sam's winning is already embedded in the
> situation details in identifying the victory.  Likewise for Sally's blow.
> Searle's agrees that there is this internal relation between facts and true
> statements, and that this undermines the relational picture of
> correspondence described above, but he defends a different picture of CT in
> a way that links up with his theory of intentionality.  In any event, it is
> important to ponder that statements of correspondence between statements
> and
> facts cannot be understood in the manner of ordinary relation statements
> (like "Seattle is north of Portland").
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Tarpley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
>
> Ruth, Tobin, Ian, and Leigh:
>
> Wow!  Thanks for all the pointers.  Sounds like I've got my Thanksgiving
> reading cut out for me!  I'm hoping to do my dissertation on the
> intersection of CR and Lit Theory, so this is all extremely helpful.
>
> On a side note, I recently read Ruth's _Critical Realism, Post-positivism
> and the Possibility of Knowledge_ and greatly enjoyed it.  I'd had trouble
> parsing out exactly what Bhaskar's theory of truth was, and I felt Ruth's
> treatment (and challenging) of this material was extremely helpful.  The
> insistence that all truth claims are fallible and the reliance on the
> correspondence theory of truth reminded me of the last few chapters of John
> Searle's _The Construction of Social Reality_.  Has anyone looked at the
> difference between what Searle preaches and CR?
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Leigh Price <leigh at totalpc.co.zw> wrote:
>
> > Dear Brian
> >
> > I used a critical realist under-labouring of Fairclough's Critical
> > Discourse Analysis in my PhD. You can access it at
> > eprints.ru.ac.za/909/01/Price-phd-v1.pdf.
> >
> > I also reviewed a book by Philip Tew called "The Contemporary British
> > Novel"
> > p409 Journal of Critical Realism, Vol 5, No 2 (2006). Tew uses
> > Critical Realism in this book but, unfortunately, it was not a good
> > example of critical realism in action. Nevertheless, it is perhaps
> > useful to see how a too-shallow understanding of critical realism can
> lead
> one into hot water.
> > You can find the full text of my review at:
> > http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ojs/index.php/JCR/article/viewArticle/1
> > 489
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Leigh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of
> > Bryan Tarpley
> > Sent: 02 November 2009 18:16
> > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> >
> > I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South
> > Central MLA conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a
> > breaking-in of Critical Realism for literature, I generated much
> > interest in how CR might impact literary theory.  I referenced
> > Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article "Critical Realism and
> > Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has always touted
> > itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know of any
> > other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bryan Tarpley
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Tarpley
> > Stephen F. Austin State University
> > 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> > _______________________________________________
> > Critical-Realism mailing list
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> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
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From bptarpley at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 09:38:28 2009
From: bptarpley at gmail.com (Bryan Tarpley)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:38:28 -0600
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
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Yes!  Which is why I really like Searle, and why I think his ideas, if not
explicitly informed by CR, are very compatible with them.  I would also note
that Searle emphasizes over and over again that the mind/body,
reality/social dualisms are false dichotomies, and are more like levels of
stratification.  This resonates with Bhaskar's more recent work on
meta-Reality--his main tenet being that all dualisms are (efficacious)
illusions.

-Bryan


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:16 AM, bill.hord <bill.hord at hccs.edu> wrote:

> In discussing Searle, we need to distinguish the 'construction of social
> reality' (the title of his book, and a view that he not only endorses but
> which he thinks is the best explanation for the social) from 'social
> construction of reality' (a position he rejects). Searle bases his theory of
> social reality on what he takes to be a realistic foundation: the world is
> there with its properties. This is where he differs from simple social
> construction views.
>
> We use language, which is socially constructed (from non-constructed
> sounds, e.g.), to make statements about this now constructed and
> non-constructed world (he distinguishes social facts -- I have $10 in my
> pocket -- from brute facts -- there is [a piece of paper in my pocket]).
>
> Bill Hord
>
> "Liminality can best be described as fructile chaos, a storehouse of
> possibilities, not a random assemblage but a striving after new forms and
> structures, a gestation process, a fetation of modes appropriate to
> postliminal experience." (V. Turner)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu on behalf of Ruth Groff
> Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 5:38 PM
> To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
>
> Louis!  Yay!  It's always so great when you weigh in!  Hope all's well.
>
> Thanks so much, Bryan, for the mention.  I'm glad you liked the book.  I
> don't know Searle at all, so will have to watch from the sidelines!
>
> Warmly,
> r.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Louis Irwin <louisirwin9 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Bryan,
> >
> > Regarding your question about Searle's "Social Construction of Reality"
> and
> > its defense of the correspondence theory, I did a quick search of my
> email
> > attic and found I sent the following as part of a message to the list in
> > 2006. I doubt it answers what you asked, but here it is anyway. There are
> > several bouts of debates on the list about whether CR is or is not
> > committed
> > to the correspondence theory. (My view is that if CT is meant as a theory
> > that explains what truth is, then no. However, if CT merely expresses
> > complex relations between perceptions (or propositions) and what they are
> > about without being able to explain those relations, then yes. Ruth begs
> to
> > differ.)  --Louis Irwin
> >
> >  The correspondence theory (CT) has a long and checkered history, but
> there
> > is an important critique of CT (made by Strawson against Austin in the
> 50s)
> > that is not anti-realist and should be considered in any argument over
> CT.
> > I will summarize Searle's exposition (in "The Construction of Social
> > Reality"): According to Strawson "there is an internal relation between
> > facts and true statements and that relation is such that there could not
> be
> > a genuine relation of correspondence between two independent entities.
>  Our
> > model of a genuine relational statement would be something like
> >
> >        Seattle is north of Portland.
> >
> > To find out whether such a relation obtains we might first identify
> > Seattle,
> > then identify Portland, and then see whether they really stand in the
> > relation of the former being north of the latter.  But we can't do that
> > with
> > the alleged relation of correspondence between statements and facts,
> > because
> > in order to identify the fact we already have to [identify] the
> > corresponding true statement."  Strawson believes that statements of
> > correspondent, such as
> >
> >     "Snow is white" corresponds to the fact that snow is white,
> >
> > do not express genuine relations between independent entities in the
> manner
> > of "Seattle is north of Portland"; rather they express pseudorelation on
> > the
> > order of
> >
> >        Sam won a victory.
> >        Sally struck a blow.
> >
> > There is not one thing, Sam, that we identify, and another thing, a
> > victory,
> > that we also identify, and then we check to see if Sam stands in the
> > winning
> > relation to the victory.  Once we have identified the victory and Sam,
> > there
> > is nothing further to check - Sam's winning is already embedded in the
> > situation details in identifying the victory.  Likewise for Sally's blow.
> > Searle's agrees that there is this internal relation between facts and
> true
> > statements, and that this undermines the relational picture of
> > correspondence described above, but he defends a different picture of CT
> in
> > a way that links up with his theory of intentionality.  In any event, it
> is
> > important to ponder that statements of correspondence between statements
> > and
> > facts cannot be understood in the manner of ordinary relation statements
> > (like "Seattle is north of Portland").
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Bryan
> > Tarpley
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:13 AM
> > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> >
> > Ruth, Tobin, Ian, and Leigh:
> >
> > Wow!  Thanks for all the pointers.  Sounds like I've got my Thanksgiving
> > reading cut out for me!  I'm hoping to do my dissertation on the
> > intersection of CR and Lit Theory, so this is all extremely helpful.
> >
> > On a side note, I recently read Ruth's _Critical Realism, Post-positivism
> > and the Possibility of Knowledge_ and greatly enjoyed it.  I'd had
> trouble
> > parsing out exactly what Bhaskar's theory of truth was, and I felt Ruth's
> > treatment (and challenging) of this material was extremely helpful.  The
> > insistence that all truth claims are fallible and the reliance on the
> > correspondence theory of truth reminded me of the last few chapters of
> John
> > Searle's _The Construction of Social Reality_.  Has anyone looked at the
> > difference between what Searle preaches and CR?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Leigh Price <leigh at totalpc.co.zw>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Brian
> > >
> > > I used a critical realist under-labouring of Fairclough's Critical
> > > Discourse Analysis in my PhD. You can access it at
> > > eprints.ru.ac.za/909/01/Price-phd-v1.pdf.
> > >
> > > I also reviewed a book by Philip Tew called "The Contemporary British
> > > Novel"
> > > p409 Journal of Critical Realism, Vol 5, No 2 (2006). Tew uses
> > > Critical Realism in this book but, unfortunately, it was not a good
> > > example of critical realism in action. Nevertheless, it is perhaps
> > > useful to see how a too-shallow understanding of critical realism can
> > lead
> > one into hot water.
> > > You can find the full text of my review at:
> > > http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ojs/index.php/JCR/article/viewArticle/1
> > > 489
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Leigh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > > [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of
> > > Bryan Tarpley
> > > Sent: 02 November 2009 18:16
> > > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > > Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> > >
> > > I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South
> > > Central MLA conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a
> > > breaking-in of Critical Realism for literature, I generated much
> > > interest in how CR might impact literary theory.  I referenced
> > > Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article "Critical Realism and
> > > Semiosis," among other things.  I know that CR has always touted
> > > itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know of any
> > > other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bryan Tarpley
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Tarpley
> > > Stephen F. Austin State University
> > > 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From janesperry at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Nov  4 10:21:17 2009
From: janesperry at hotmail.co.uk (Jane Sperry)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:21:17 +0000
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Hi Bryan

 

Tony Lawson may have written something on CR and Searle.  Here is a short excerpt from a recent interview with Lawson speaking:

 

"Actually, I did take up an invitation to visit Searle and his ontology
group in Berkeley last summer, for about five weeks. In fact I went twice,
because I was also earlier invited by Searle to give a talk at his bi-annual
Collective Intentionality Conference, which incidentally also featured
Tuomela and Gilbert. It was a very fruitful experience for me. No, I do
not see a big conflict in our projects, certainly not between mine and
Searle?s. Searle actually thinks that we agree on just about everything. I
am not so sure, but he may be right. Certainly we agree on rather a
lot. [.....] In terms of our projects we spent a lot of time comparing notes. In
fact, I led a seminar contrasting the two projects. The chief difference
between us, I believe, is not the positions we sustain, but how we get
there [...]. " 

 

The whole interview is in:

 

http://ejpe.org/pdf/2-1-int.pdf

 

J

 

 


 
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:38:28 -0600
> From: bptarpley at gmail.com
> To: critical-realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> 
> Yes! Which is why I really like Searle, and why I think his ideas, if not
> explicitly informed by CR, are very compatible with them. I would also note
> that Searle emphasizes over and over again that the mind/body,
> reality/social dualisms are false dichotomies, and are more like levels of
> stratification. This resonates with Bhaskar's more recent work on
> meta-Reality--his main tenet being that all dualisms are (efficacious)
> illusions.
> 
> -Bryan
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:16 AM, bill.hord <bill.hord at hccs.edu> wrote:
> 
> > In discussing Searle, we need to distinguish the 'construction of social
> > reality' (the title of his book, and a view that he not only endorses but
> > which he thinks is the best explanation for the social) from 'social
> > construction of reality' (a position he rejects). Searle bases his theory of
> > social reality on what he takes to be a realistic foundation: the world is
> > there with its properties. This is where he differs from simple social
> > construction views.
> >
> > We use language, which is socially constructed (from non-constructed
> > sounds, e.g.), to make statements about this now constructed and
> > non-constructed world (he distinguishes social facts -- I have $10 in my
> > pocket -- from brute facts -- there is [a piece of paper in my pocket]).
> >
> > Bill Hord
> >
> > "Liminality can best be described as fructile chaos, a storehouse of
> > possibilities, not a random assemblage but a striving after new forms and
> > structures, a gestation process, a fetation of modes appropriate to
> > postliminal experience." (V. Turner)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu on behalf of Ruth Groff
> > Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 5:38 PM
> > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> >
> > Louis! Yay! It's always so great when you weigh in! Hope all's well.
> >
> > Thanks so much, Bryan, for the mention. I'm glad you liked the book. I
> > don't know Searle at all, so will have to watch from the sidelines!
> >
> > Warmly,
> > r.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Louis Irwin <louisirwin9 at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Bryan,
> > >
> > > Regarding your question about Searle's "Social Construction of Reality"
> > and
> > > its defense of the correspondence theory, I did a quick search of my
> > email
> > > attic and found I sent the following as part of a message to the list in
> > > 2006. I doubt it answers what you asked, but here it is anyway. There are
> > > several bouts of debates on the list about whether CR is or is not
> > > committed
> > > to the correspondence theory. (My view is that if CT is meant as a theory
> > > that explains what truth is, then no. However, if CT merely expresses
> > > complex relations between perceptions (or propositions) and what they are
> > > about without being able to explain those relations, then yes. Ruth begs
> > to
> > > differ.) --Louis Irwin
> > >
> > > The correspondence theory (CT) has a long and checkered history, but
> > there
> > > is an important critique of CT (made by Strawson against Austin in the
> > 50s)
> > > that is not anti-realist and should be considered in any argument over
> > CT.
> > > I will summarize Searle's exposition (in "The Construction of Social
> > > Reality"): According to Strawson "there is an internal relation between
> > > facts and true statements and that relation is such that there could not
> > be
> > > a genuine relation of correspondence between two independent entities.
> > Our
> > > model of a genuine relational statement would be something like
> > >
> > > Seattle is north of Portland.
> > >
> > > To find out whether such a relation obtains we might first identify
> > > Seattle,
> > > then identify Portland, and then see whether they really stand in the
> > > relation of the former being north of the latter. But we can't do that
> > > with
> > > the alleged relation of correspondence between statements and facts,
> > > because
> > > in order to identify the fact we already have to [identify] the
> > > corresponding true statement." Strawson believes that statements of
> > > correspondent, such as
> > >
> > > "Snow is white" corresponds to the fact that snow is white,
> > >
> > > do not express genuine relations between independent entities in the
> > manner
> > > of "Seattle is north of Portland"; rather they express pseudorelation on
> > > the
> > > order of
> > >
> > > Sam won a victory.
> > > Sally struck a blow.
> > >
> > > There is not one thing, Sam, that we identify, and another thing, a
> > > victory,
> > > that we also identify, and then we check to see if Sam stands in the
> > > winning
> > > relation to the victory. Once we have identified the victory and Sam,
> > > there
> > > is nothing further to check - Sam's winning is already embedded in the
> > > situation details in identifying the victory. Likewise for Sally's blow.
> > > Searle's agrees that there is this internal relation between facts and
> > true
> > > statements, and that this undermines the relational picture of
> > > correspondence described above, but he defends a different picture of CT
> > in
> > > a way that links up with his theory of intentionality. In any event, it
> > is
> > > important to ponder that statements of correspondence between statements
> > > and
> > > facts cannot be understood in the manner of ordinary relation statements
> > > (like "Seattle is north of Portland").
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > > [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Bryan
> > > Tarpley
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:13 AM
> > > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > > Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> > >
> > > Ruth, Tobin, Ian, and Leigh:
> > >
> > > Wow! Thanks for all the pointers. Sounds like I've got my Thanksgiving
> > > reading cut out for me! I'm hoping to do my dissertation on the
> > > intersection of CR and Lit Theory, so this is all extremely helpful.
> > >
> > > On a side note, I recently read Ruth's _Critical Realism, Post-positivism
> > > and the Possibility of Knowledge_ and greatly enjoyed it. I'd had
> > trouble
> > > parsing out exactly what Bhaskar's theory of truth was, and I felt Ruth's
> > > treatment (and challenging) of this material was extremely helpful. The
> > > insistence that all truth claims are fallible and the reliance on the
> > > correspondence theory of truth reminded me of the last few chapters of
> > John
> > > Searle's _The Construction of Social Reality_. Has anyone looked at the
> > > difference between what Searle preaches and CR?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Leigh Price <leigh at totalpc.co.zw>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Brian
> > > >
> > > > I used a critical realist under-labouring of Fairclough's Critical
> > > > Discourse Analysis in my PhD. You can access it at
> > > > eprints.ru.ac.za/909/01/Price-phd-v1.pdf.
> > > >
> > > > I also reviewed a book by Philip Tew called "The Contemporary British
> > > > Novel"
> > > > p409 Journal of Critical Realism, Vol 5, No 2 (2006). Tew uses
> > > > Critical Realism in this book but, unfortunately, it was not a good
> > > > example of critical realism in action. Nevertheless, it is perhaps
> > > > useful to see how a too-shallow understanding of critical realism can
> > > lead
> > > one into hot water.
> > > > You can find the full text of my review at:
> > > > http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ojs/index.php/JCR/article/viewArticle/1
> > > > 489
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Leigh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > > > [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of
> > > > Bryan Tarpley
> > > > Sent: 02 November 2009 18:16
> > > > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > > > Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> > > >
> > > > I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South
> > > > Central MLA conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a
> > > > breaking-in of Critical Realism for literature, I generated much
> > > > interest in how CR might impact literary theory. I referenced
> > > > Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article "Critical Realism and
> > > > Semiosis," among other things. I know that CR has always touted
> > > > itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone know of any
> > > > other potential intersections between CR and literary theory?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Bryan Tarpley
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bryan Tarpley
> > > > Stephen F. Austin State University
> > > > 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > Critical-Realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
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> > > > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/critical-realism
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Stephen F. Austin State University
> > > 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu
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From: mh at jaspere7.demon.co.uk (Mervyn Hartwig)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:23:59 -0000
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
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Hi Jane

An interesting interview highlighting the undoubtedly important work of Tony
Lawson in economics. Many thanks for the URL. I think one should take his
claim to have arrived at an explicitly critical realist perspective
independently of Bhaskar with a grain of salt: many of the formulations,
distinctions he uses (e.g. between philosophical and scientific ontology)
are in fact Bhaskar's. Also his claim that "I effectively set up" the
International Association for Critical Realism -- a number of other people,
including Bhaskar, were also importantly involved. The "contrast
explanation" he claims credit for should be viewed in the context of the
long and rich tradition of the comparative method.

Mervyn 



-----Original Message-----
From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
[mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Jane
Sperry
Sent: 04 November 2009 17:21
To: CR; bptarpley at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature


Hi Bryan

 

Tony Lawson may have written something on CR and Searle.  Here is a short
excerpt from a recent interview with Lawson speaking:

 

"Actually, I did take up an invitation to visit Searle and his ontology
group in Berkeley last summer, for about five weeks. In fact I went twice,
because I was also earlier invited by Searle to give a talk at his bi-annual
Collective Intentionality Conference, which incidentally also featured
Tuomela and Gilbert. It was a very fruitful experience for me. No, I do not
see a big conflict in our projects, certainly not between mine and Searle's.
Searle actually thinks that we agree on just about everything. I am not so
sure, but he may be right. Certainly we agree on rather a lot. [.....] In
terms of our projects we spent a lot of time comparing notes. In fact, I led
a seminar contrasting the two projects. The chief difference between us, I
believe, is not the positions we sustain, but how we get there [...]. " 

 

The whole interview is in:

 

http://ejpe.org/pdf/2-1-int.pdf

 

J

 

 


 
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:38:28 -0600
> From: bptarpley at gmail.com
> To: critical-realism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> 
> Yes! Which is why I really like Searle, and why I think his ideas, if 
> not explicitly informed by CR, are very compatible with them. I would 
> also note that Searle emphasizes over and over again that the 
> mind/body, reality/social dualisms are false dichotomies, and are more 
> like levels of stratification. This resonates with Bhaskar's more 
> recent work on meta-Reality--his main tenet being that all dualisms 
> are (efficacious) illusions.
> 
> -Bryan
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:16 AM, bill.hord <bill.hord at hccs.edu> wrote:
> 
> > In discussing Searle, we need to distinguish the 'construction of 
> > social reality' (the title of his book, and a view that he not only 
> > endorses but which he thinks is the best explanation for the social) 
> > from 'social construction of reality' (a position he rejects). 
> > Searle bases his theory of social reality on what he takes to be a 
> > realistic foundation: the world is there with its properties. This 
> > is where he differs from simple social construction views.
> >
> > We use language, which is socially constructed (from non-constructed 
> > sounds, e.g.), to make statements about this now constructed and 
> > non-constructed world (he distinguishes social facts -- I have $10 
> > in my pocket -- from brute facts -- there is [a piece of paper in my
pocket]).
> >
> > Bill Hord
> >
> > "Liminality can best be described as fructile chaos, a storehouse of 
> > possibilities, not a random assemblage but a striving after new 
> > forms and structures, a gestation process, a fetation of modes 
> > appropriate to postliminal experience." (V. Turner)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu on behalf of Ruth 
> > Groff
> > Sent: Tue 11/3/2009 5:38 PM
> > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> >
> > Louis! Yay! It's always so great when you weigh in! Hope all's well.
> >
> > Thanks so much, Bryan, for the mention. I'm glad you liked the book. 
> > I don't know Searle at all, so will have to watch from the sidelines!
> >
> > Warmly,
> > r.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Louis Irwin 
> > <louisirwin9 at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Bryan,
> > >
> > > Regarding your question about Searle's "Social Construction of
Reality"
> > and
> > > its defense of the correspondence theory, I did a quick search of 
> > > my
> > email
> > > attic and found I sent the following as part of a message to the 
> > > list in 2006. I doubt it answers what you asked, but here it is 
> > > anyway. There are several bouts of debates on the list about 
> > > whether CR is or is not committed to the correspondence theory. 
> > > (My view is that if CT is meant as a theory that explains what 
> > > truth is, then no. However, if CT merely expresses complex 
> > > relations between perceptions (or propositions) and what they are 
> > > about without being able to explain those relations, then yes. 
> > > Ruth begs
> > to
> > > differ.) --Louis Irwin
> > >
> > > The correspondence theory (CT) has a long and checkered history, 
> > > but
> > there
> > > is an important critique of CT (made by Strawson against Austin in 
> > > the
> > 50s)
> > > that is not anti-realist and should be considered in any argument 
> > > over
> > CT.
> > > I will summarize Searle's exposition (in "The Construction of 
> > > Social
> > > Reality"): According to Strawson "there is an internal relation 
> > > between facts and true statements and that relation is such that 
> > > there could not
> > be
> > > a genuine relation of correspondence between two independent entities.
> > Our
> > > model of a genuine relational statement would be something like
> > >
> > > Seattle is north of Portland.
> > >
> > > To find out whether such a relation obtains we might first 
> > > identify Seattle, then identify Portland, and then see whether 
> > > they really stand in the relation of the former being north of the 
> > > latter. But we can't do that with the alleged relation of 
> > > correspondence between statements and facts, because in order to 
> > > identify the fact we already have to [identify] the corresponding 
> > > true statement." Strawson believes that statements of 
> > > correspondent, such as
> > >
> > > "Snow is white" corresponds to the fact that snow is white,
> > >
> > > do not express genuine relations between independent entities in 
> > > the
> > manner
> > > of "Seattle is north of Portland"; rather they express 
> > > pseudorelation on the order of
> > >
> > > Sam won a victory.
> > > Sally struck a blow.
> > >
> > > There is not one thing, Sam, that we identify, and another thing, 
> > > a victory, that we also identify, and then we check to see if Sam 
> > > stands in the winning relation to the victory. Once we have 
> > > identified the victory and Sam, there is nothing further to check 
> > > - Sam's winning is already embedded in the situation details in 
> > > identifying the victory. Likewise for Sally's blow.
> > > Searle's agrees that there is this internal relation between facts 
> > > and
> > true
> > > statements, and that this undermines the relational picture of 
> > > correspondence described above, but he defends a different picture 
> > > of CT
> > in
> > > a way that links up with his theory of intentionality. In any 
> > > event, it
> > is
> > > important to ponder that statements of correspondence between 
> > > statements and facts cannot be understood in the manner of 
> > > ordinary relation statements (like "Seattle is north of 
> > > Portland").
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > > [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of 
> > > Bryan Tarpley
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:13 AM
> > > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > > Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> > >
> > > Ruth, Tobin, Ian, and Leigh:
> > >
> > > Wow! Thanks for all the pointers. Sounds like I've got my 
> > > Thanksgiving reading cut out for me! I'm hoping to do my 
> > > dissertation on the intersection of CR and Lit Theory, so this is all
extremely helpful.
> > >
> > > On a side note, I recently read Ruth's _Critical Realism, 
> > > Post-positivism and the Possibility of Knowledge_ and greatly 
> > > enjoyed it. I'd had
> > trouble
> > > parsing out exactly what Bhaskar's theory of truth was, and I felt 
> > > Ruth's treatment (and challenging) of this material was extremely 
> > > helpful. The insistence that all truth claims are fallible and the 
> > > reliance on the correspondence theory of truth reminded me of the 
> > > last few chapters of
> > John
> > > Searle's _The Construction of Social Reality_. Has anyone looked 
> > > at the difference between what Searle preaches and CR?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Leigh Price <leigh at totalpc.co.zw>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Brian
> > > >
> > > > I used a critical realist under-labouring of Fairclough's 
> > > > Critical Discourse Analysis in my PhD. You can access it at 
> > > > eprints.ru.ac.za/909/01/Price-phd-v1.pdf.
> > > >
> > > > I also reviewed a book by Philip Tew called "The Contemporary 
> > > > British Novel"
> > > > p409 Journal of Critical Realism, Vol 5, No 2 (2006). Tew uses 
> > > > Critical Realism in this book but, unfortunately, it was not a 
> > > > good example of critical realism in action. Nevertheless, it is 
> > > > perhaps useful to see how a too-shallow understanding of 
> > > > critical realism can
> > > lead
> > > one into hot water.
> > > > You can find the full text of my review at:
> > > > http://www.equinoxjournals.com/ojs/index.php/JCR/article/viewArt
> > > > icle/1
> > > > 489
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Leigh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > > > [mailto:critical-realism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf 
> > > > Of Bryan Tarpley
> > > > Sent: 02 November 2009 18:16
> > > > To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
> > > > Subject: [Critical-Realism] Critical Realism in Literature
> > > >
> > > > I'm happy to report that, after presenting a paper at the South 
> > > > Central MLA conference in Baton Rouge this weekend calling for a 
> > > > breaking-in of Critical Realism for literature, I generated much 
> > > > interest in how CR might impact literary theory. I referenced 
> > > > Fairclough, Jessop, and Sayer's 2001 article "Critical Realism 
> > > > and Semiosis," among other things. I know that CR has always 
> > > > touted itself as a response to postmodernism, but does anyone 
> > > > know of any other potential intersections between CR and literary
theory?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Bryan Tarpley
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bryan Tarpley
> > > > Stephen F. Austin State University
> > > > 936.468.2101 | btarpley at sfasu.edu 
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From: mh at jaspere7.demon.co.uk (Mervyn Hartwig)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:56:04 -0000
Subject: [Critical-Realism] JCR emails
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If anyone has sent me any emails over the last three days (Tues 10 -Thurs 12
November) please resend, as my emails were bounced during that period.
 
Apologies for using the list for this purpose, but I'm concerned I might
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ListersIf there is any one who has read the paper below help guide me on its important components re:Bhaskarian theory

Contemporary
Developments in Sociological Theory: Current Projects and Conditions of
Possibility by Charles
Camic and Neil Gross



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