[A-List] Fwd: [R-G] Fukushima Event
nadjatesich at hotmail.com
Fri May 4 10:32:44 MDT 2012
You are angry and I can tell.
As far as I know--German soldiers were not accused of crimes but only those at the top.I remember
a German soldier who was going to kill me but my grandmother spoke german and said,'Save her please,
she is as blond as you.'And he lowered his gun and here I am writing to you.Read my first novel,
You made a mistake.Soldiers going to Vietnam were of all races and classes,many students and middle class.
It's the soldiers going now who are poor and not educated and they are killing themselves when they come back.
It's a rule-you can't do anything against an American soldier.In 99, in Yugoslavia ,an American soldier raped a little girl,killed her then dumped her in tha garbage.And nothing.Like in other countries now.
You have to blame the Empire.Try.You will get no answer.
I am against all wars except for liberation against the empires.
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 09:46:29 -0400
> From: bar at idirect.com
> To: intnsred at golgotha.net; a-list at greenhouse.economics.utah.edu
> Subject: Re: [A-List] Fwd: [R-G] Fukushima Event
> Yes, talk to them by all means-but we are not dealing with a conscripts
> army -an army of citizens representing all of society as in the Vietnam
> war (and I agree then they were more poorer than richer).
> But explain to me why others in equally dire economic circumstances choose
> not to join this band of killers. Explain to me why they obey illegal
> orders. Explain to me why so many incidents occur where these "poor"
> people delight in inflicting death and torture on their victims. You and I
> are equally indoctrinated by national chauvinism but we do not do as they
> do. I do not deny the consequences of the propaganda all around them that
> has produced these people-nevertheless one cannot escape moral
> responsibility for one's actions by claiming "society made me do it".
> When German and Japanese soldiers committed atrocities en masse in WWII no
> one dared to offer up these types of apologetics for their actions-they
> were rightly condemned as criminals-and so should these people be
> Frankly I could not care less about these soldiers. They are volunteers.
> >> Not conscripts like in Vietnam.
> > Perfectly true. But weren't they indoctrinated with nationalism since
> > birth? Doesn't everything from our corporate mass media's advertising, to
> > "entertainment" plots, to their sports coach in school all preach to them
> > that
> > joining the military is one way to achieve that idealistic notion of
> > "manhood"?
> > Now add to that the economic circumstances that force many to join the
> > military, and the military being the primary viable option (or so they're
> > told) to achieve college without years of debt peonage.
> > When you add all that up, they're less like "volunteers" and more like
> > victims in a tragedy they cannot wrap their heads around.
> > Remember the reality that leftists need to talk to these people and
> > educate
> > them. If not for any general view that education is good nor desire to
> > save
> > their soul, but because they're carrying the guns of the empire and are
> > its
> > stormtroopers and a selfish desire to disarm that empire...
> > --
> > "Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in a
> > continuous stampede of patriotic fervor -- with the cry of grave national
> > emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some
> > monstrous
> > foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally
> > behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect,
> > these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite
> > real." -- General Douglas MacArthur, 1957.
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