[A-List] Fwd: [R-G] Principled armed self-defense

[Suzanne de Kuyper]

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From: Suzanne de Kuyper <suzannedk at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [R-G] Principled armed self-defense
To: Hunter Gray <hunterbadbear at hunterbear.org>


I filed under the Freedom of Information Act in 1981 and got two pages
back with maybe five unconnected unblacked words plus the signature of
the top aide of J.Edgar Hoover, on the opening of the file in 1960 the
year my first son was born.  Since then it has become clear that the
purpose of the FBI has been to destroy my Dutch family, control the
firm, destroy my father's and brother's and my records....my father
was poisoned over three years, and the serious effort to kill me
started when I was living in Michigan in 2007 2008 done through a
reputable medical clinic, falsifying medical records from testing
clinics and doctor clinical harassment.

Meanwhile the harassment of 1980 of me and my sons was done in order
to set up FBI files on me as if a defective danger to US Government,
there being none in the 1960 file that implied anything dangerous, and
to split us up as a nuclear family.   When, quite weak, I moved back
to Amsterdam in 2008 I knew that there was only a chance I could have
some safe quality of life in the E.U. and the country of my birth...as
International Human Rights were enshrined here at the end of WW11, my
family firm name known well.  As of 2008 the US/EU File Sharing
Agreement signed destroyed any chances of effective Human Rights Law
here.    A film had been made in the early 2000s as if about my dad,
demonising the name, the respectable, responsible internationally
known business man.  Made by an old famous Dutch director  living well
in Holllywood.    The example of what was done to us will be used to
destroy other family dynasities that may disagree with US control, say
as in Toyota.

 What the Americans are known for in say South America, disappearing
thousands, puppet governments, poisoning indigenous people with gold
mines, etc. they are in process of doing openly here in Netherland,
the Holland all the world loves and thinks of as tolerant, free, open.
 Under the many covers of Fiscal Crisis, War on Terrror, World
Warming, certainly those three set up by the US, a beaurocracy of
Corporate Empire is being constructed in the tiny country that has The
International Criminal Court that will manage the appearances of this
empire as it constructs itself using the lessons learned (or not
learned) with the managements of past puppet governments....using
incredible new tools of persuasion never seen before.   The United
States love of new war tools eclipsing any other passions that it may
have ever had.    Military control of world internet is next,
cyberwar. The human face of the EU is in the streets of Greece as it
is 'water-boarded' by the other members passive to US  leadership.
That is most of them awash with new American weapons systems, toys in
the attics.

The level of inhuman corruption institutionalised in the U.S. is such
that the Gulf of Mexico oil eruption could have been deliberately set
up.  To all intents and purposes, it was.  BP now owns the Gulf Coast
and are managing any news that gets out actively.   Thousands of
jobless Gulf Staters are getting clean up jobs and ordered never to
speak to the media or they lose the job and any others they may find
after.   The dispersant chemical banned as poison in the EU and the EU
zone is being spread by the ton by BP in the Gulf.   That can spread
to all the oceans in the world.

best, Suzanne


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Hunter Gray
<hunterbadbear at hunterbear.org> wrote:
> Thanks, as always, Suzanne for the good note -- and the kind words.  On
> firearms:  It's essentially a matter of one's background, personally and
> culturally.  I grew up in a setting where firearms were a standard dimension
> of the cultural scenery, had my first firearm when I was seven and have had
> over 200 different ones since.  I've always held to the position that a gun
> is no better nor worse than the person who holds it.  As a long time
> community organizer, I support and practice tactical non-violence -- but I
> do believe in principled and armed self defense re one's self and one's
> family.  I can certainly empathize with your problems with FBI and CIA and I
> certainly commend you for standing up to those outfits.  I don't know of any
> specific CIA problems of mine -- some written pieces of mine, published
> overseas including in the Red East, never reached me, but I've had lots of
> mutually hostile experiences with FBI.  In the '80s, using Freedom of
> Information Act/Privacy Act, I secured more than 3,000 pages of my FBI files
> -- heavily redacted -- covering about 1957 to 1979. I am sure there are more
> now. This doesn't include over a hundred or so pages that FBI refuses to
> release..  About ten years ago, I recovered hundreds of pages involving me
> from the old files of the Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission, the now
> long gone Magnolia secret police outfit.
>
> Well, so it goes.  We fight on -- always and forever.  Keep your chin up, as
> you always do, Suzanne, and spit in their eyes.  Here are a couple of links
> that you and perhaps some others might find of interest.
>
> http://www.newstrench.com/03secret/S.html  [lists my FBI files as of 1979 or
> so.  These are under my original name of John R Salter Jr.]
>
> http://www.hunterbear.org/liveissueshtm.htm [an article of mine, Civil
> Rights and Self Defense, published in the socialist journal, Against the
> Current, in 1988]
>
> Best wishes and solidarity,
>
> Hunter
>
> HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq /St. Francis
> Abenaki/St. Regis Mohawk
> Protected by Na´shdo´i´ba´i´
> and Ohkwari'
>
> Our Hunterbear website is now more than ten years old.
> It contains a vast amount of social justice material -- including
> grassroots activist organizing. Check out
> http://hunterbear.org/directory.htm
>
> Our very well organized and successful civil rights and anti-Klan campaigns
> in the Eastern North Carolina Black-Belt counties -- including many of
> our pertinent Hunterbear referral links:
> http://hunterbear.org/NORTH%20CAROLINA_OUR%20SUCCESSFUL%20BLACK%20BELT%20MOVEMENT.htm
>
> And See: Hunter Bear's Movement Life Interview:
> http://hunterbear.org/HUNTER%20BEAR%20INTERVIEW%20CRMV.htm
>
> See: The Stormy Adoption of an Indian Child [My Father] and its
> accompanying essay on Minority Adoptions and Native Land
> and Resources:
> http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad.htm
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne de Kuyper" <suzannedk at gmail.com>
> To: "Hunter Gray" <hunterbadbear at hunterbear.org>; "Radical anti-capitalist
> environmental discussion." <rad-green at lists.econ.utah.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [R-G] Principled armed self-defense
>
>
> Dear Hunter:
>
> As I have written you I am white as copy paper.   Having been
> criminally harassed by my own family when young and by the US
> Government since I was a 30, 40 year old mother with two sons, because
> I was a good student at Yale and sucessful mother, I have been using
> various methods of self defence, never guns.  Thirty years ago I left
> my two sons as a way of protecting them as the efforts to destory me
> utterly were ramping up under FBI and CIA powers.....using and adding
> to a 1960 top-secret FBI file started by J Edgar Hoover's top
> side-kick...that being the year my first son was born.    I was to
> inherit a one million three hundred thousand dollar trust from my
> famous banking grandfather.   The harassment in 2008 while a student
> at Yale was to set me up as a defective, incompetent human
> cipher...putting the funds into 'care-taker' hands....my sons at 14
> qnd 16 yers under someone elses care, not mine.   None of this
> happened.
>
> I stayed near as their supportive Mom as long as I was able to, then
> moved to Hawaii beginning my 30 year quest to find out why, how and
> who had criminally harassed us in white Hamden Connecticut.   Whether
> or not my son's lives were in danger.  They were and are.  Mine still
> is.   I have no guns.
>
> I read whatever you write with great interest.   Thank you for all you
> write.  Suzanne De Kuyper , Amsterdam, NL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Hunter Gray
> <hunterbadbear at hunterbear.org> wrote:
>>
>> From the always colorful RBB:
>>
>> John [oldest son] writes and I add some thoughts:
>>
>> "I have a vivid memory of living in Chicago in the early 1970s, when
>> Hunter was doing his typical dangerous and good works. The phone would ring
>> and someone on the other end would threaten to kill us all. Luckily Hunter
>> was armed so even as a child, I didn't feel particularly worried. So put
>> that in your Goetz pipe . . ."
>>
>> My [Hunter's] add-on:
>>
>> "John's quite right about our experiences in Chicago. In addition to
>> loaded firearms, I had a heavy chain across the front door of our home, with
>> just enough slack for the kids to go in and out of the yard. I purchased and
>> installed dead bolt locks -- and secured window bars from Sears and placed
>> those on all first floor and basement windows -- and I set up an elaborate
>> booby trap with concealed barb wire in the lower four step back stairway
>> which went down to the basement door. When a hate call would come, I had
>> this message. "Come on over. I have a special welcoming weapon for you -- a
>> Marlin .444 lever action." I would not have hesitated to use it lethally --
>> a life-long policy of mine [to this moment.]
>>
>> Many police were hostile or, in any event, took between 30 and 45 minutes
>> to answer a call -- especially in neighborhoods that were significantly
>> "minority" in nature. On one occasion, I went out of town to give a speech
>> at Coe College in Iowa. That information was top-secret, shared only with
>> three key staff members of mine. But the police had wiretaps which explained
>> why, at 2:30 am, while I was still in Iowa, men tried to break into our
>> home. They couldn't because of the locks and window bars. Eldri turned on
>> all lights and called two of our close by neighbors, Jenkins [who was Black]
>> and Drew [who was white] and they watched the house until I came back next
>> day.
>>
>> Minority people in Chicago have always been heavily armed for
>> self-defense. This ruling [and the probable ones to come] makes it easier.
>> And, hopefully, Chicago will have to dig deeper into the real sociological
>> causes of crime and violence and maybe, maybe, act constructively in that
>> context.
>>
>> It's hard to explain things like this to, say, conventional liberals who
>> have never been in these kinds of situations. Mostly, groups like ACLU have
>> been unwilling to defend firearms rights. Glad to be a Life Member of NRA
>> for most of my life [having joined as a Junior Member at age 15.]"
>>
>> H
>>
>> HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq /St. Francis
>> Abenaki/St. Regis Mohawk
>> Protected by Na´shdo´i´ba´i´
>> and Ohkwari'
>>
>> Our Hunterbear website is now more than ten years old.
>> It contains a vast amount of social justice material -- including
>> grassroots activist organizing. Check out
>> http://hunterbear.org/directory.htm
>>
>> Our very well organized and successful civil rights and anti-Klan
>> campaigns
>> in the Eastern North Carolina Black-Belt counties -- including many of
>> our pertinent Hunterbear referral links:
>>
>> http://hunterbear.org/NORTH%20CAROLINA_OUR%20SUCCESSFUL%20BLACK%20BELT%20MOVEMENT.htm
>>
>> And See: Hunter Bear's Movement Life Interview:
>> http://hunterbear.org/HUNTER%20BEAR%20INTERVIEW%20CRMV.htm
>>
>> See: The Stormy Adoption of an Indian Child [My Father] and its
>> accompanying essay on Minority Adoptions and Native Land
>> and Resources:
>> http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad.htm
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