[A-List] [R-G] Fwd: McChrystal v Obama & Co.

Tue Jun 22 12:56:53 MDT 2010

To Razer and others,
Great Job.

We know a lot.
We know why US in Afghanistan and they will never win.
The same reason why- the same are destoying Kurdistan now.
Spying on Americans is stupid.People are just trying to survive.Spy agencies just want more money.

Obama does not rule the cauntry.
Pent.does.
Nadja
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> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:26:00 -0700
> From: auntieimperial at gmail.com
> To: a-list at lists.econ.utah.edu
> Subject: Re: [A-List] [R-G] Fwd: McChrystal v Obama & Co.
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> There IS NO 'debate'. The US military answers to the president.
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> June 22 2010 Travus T. Hipp Morning News & Commentary: Sergeant Fury
> of Afghanistan, General McChrystal Loses His War, And In The Process,
> 'Our War'
>
> [After the commentary, a requiem for a war that was lost before it
> ever started, courtesy of Skidmark Bob, PoP dEFECT Radio]
>
> History time! (subhead: "Hunter S. Thompson, thou art AVENGED!") It's
> like Truman-MacArthur all over again. General McChrystal, JSOC-bred
> 'Rogue Commander", has been summoned to the White House where he most
> likely will offer his resignation because Rolling Stone magazine did a
> profile of the good general and after he spent 2 days with the
> reporters in Paris, the Iceland volcano (It HAS a name
> "Eyjafjallajökull") kept them together awhile longer while the air
> cleared enough for flights to resume. They GOT DRUNK together and
> McChrystal along with his staffers said a few things that made it
> quite clear he and his crew are not particularly fond of the Obama
> administration's plans for our wars, or the president.
>
> On a similar note, the Afghan war is going so badly that the much
> touted Kandahar offensive has been delayed until the fall, (if we're
> not in the process of withdrawing by then) if it happens at all.
>
> http://razedbywolves.blogspot.com/2010/06/june-22-2010-travus-t-hipp-morning-news.html
>
> Or: http://www.archive.org/details/tth_100622
>
> In OTHER News:
>
> Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is going to be in the Silicon Gulch
> today meeting with executives from Apple and Twitter and will continue
> on to Washington for a meeting with president Obama (after Obama sees
> Mr. McChrystal in the woodshed...)
>
> A federal court in New Orleans is considering issuing a temporary
> restraining order against the federal government's shut down of
> drilling operations in the Gulf of Mexico. The suit was filed in
> "early June by Hornbeck Offshore LLC, a small oil-services company
> based in Covington, La."
>
> A new Labor department rule says federal employees who are Gay are now
> going to have access to family leave.
>
> Oh Wonderful! The Times Square Bomber was in court for arraignment
> where he pled guilty to all ten charges and exclaimed there would be
> more half-assed, two-day trained 'bombers' like himself coming to
> attack the US.
>
> The Obama administration's economic advisor and Stimulus package
> author Peter Orszag will be resigning from the OMB later this year. A
> Q & A from the Atlantic Wire: Why Is Peter Orszag Leaving? (And Who
> Will Replace Him?)
>
> YES, They Can! (Spy on peacefully protesting American citizens.)
>
> Pentagon revives Rumsfeld-era domestic spying unit
>
> By Daniel Tencer
> Saturday, June 19th, 2010
>
> The Pentagon's spy unit has quietly begun to rebuild a database
> for tracking potential terrorist threats that was shut down after it
> emerged that it had been collecting information on American anti-war
> activists.
>
> The Defense Intelligence Agency filed notice this week that it
> plans to create a new section called Foreign Intelligence and
> Counterintelligence Operation Records, whose purpose will be to
> "document intelligence, counterintelligence, counterterrorism and
> counternarcotic operations relating to the protection of national
> security."
>
> But while the unit's name refers to "foreign intelligence," civil
> liberties advocates and the Pentagon's own description of the program
> suggest that Americans will likely be included in the new database.
>
> FICOR replaces a program called Talon, which the DIA created in
> 2002 under then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as part of the
> counterterrorism efforts following the 9/11 attacks. It was disbanded
> in 2007 after it emerged that Talon had retained information on
> anti-war protesters, including Quakers, even after it was determined
> they posed no threat to national security... [In Full]
>
>
> On 6/22/2010 11:01 AM, Suzanne de Kuyper wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Suzanne de Kuyper 
>> Date: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:00 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: [R-G] McChrystal v Obama & Co.
>> To: The A-List 
>>
>>
>> Well, the need for examining all the diagreements in this war that is
>> in it's tenth year is over-riding! McCrystal's interview was a
>> successful effort to get the issues of note out there. Tragicly there
>> are Military millions who will die to hide the disagreements and the
>> facts as transparentcy will dilute their power. I think both men know
>> the need to debate openly the war problems and strategies, future.
>> Obama's alarm at the overweening assumptions of US Mitiary power may
>> blind him to the necessity of what Mc Chrystal has started. One hopes
>> not. True debate can be messy, as can life itself. Suzanne
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Hunter Gray 
>> Date: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:52 PM
>> Subject: [R-G] McChrystal v Obama & Co.
>> To: Suzanne de Kuyper 
>> Cc: newgreencanada at yahoogroups.com, marxist at yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> I awoke early this morning to hear this on every major news media
>> outlet. Rarely have I seen, in these past several years, such a
>> degree of frenetic excitement across the entire "mainline" political
>> spectrum. My first reaction which still does more than linger within
>> me calls up the old saw, "The wolves devour one another." [I
>> apologize to the wolves, which I like -- save the Lupus version which,
>> of course, isn't a real wolf.] And, of course, Barack Obama is no
>> wolf at all. If I don't like The Generals, and I don't, I do have a
>> certain grudging respect for many of them as people. I have little
>> respect at all for Obama whose basic intelligence and human empathy
>> come off as contrived and mediocre -- a man, crafty and cunning, and
>> certainly articulate -- but who epitomizes an Ego that has far outrun
>> its capabilities.
>>
>> The massive and thoroughly surreal -- and unwinnable --
>> Afghan/Pakistan War [and, to that, add Iraq as well] is, of course the
>> horrific headwaters of this -- in our time now -- the tragedy without
>> parallel.
>>
>> H.
>>
>>
>> General recalled to Washington over remarks
>> Rolling Stone quotes McChrystal aides mocking Biden, envoy Holbrooke
>> NBC, msnbc.com and news services
>> updated 5:34 a.m. MT, Tues., June 22, 2010
>> WASHINGTON - The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan was summoned to
>> Washington Tuesday to explain his controversial comments about
>> colleagues in a recent interview.
>>
>> The move came hours after General Stanley McChrystal apologized for
>> comments by his aides insulting some of President Barack Obama's
>> closest advisers in an article to be published in Rolling Stone
>> magazine.
>>
>> In the magazine profile, his aides are quoted mocking Vice President
>> Joe Biden and Richard Holbrooke, the special U.S. representative for
>> Afghanistan and Pakistan.
>>
>> The article depicts McChrystal as a lone wolf on the outs with many
>> important figures in the Obama administration and unable to convince
>> even some of his own soldiers that his strategy can win the war.
>>
>> 'Wimps in the White House'
>> McChrystal was quoted as saying he felt betrayed by the man the White
>> House chose to be his diplomatic partner, Ambassador Karl Eikenberry.
>>
>> The article also claims McChrystal has seized control of the war "by
>> never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White
>> House."
>>
>> Citing a senior Obama administration official, NBC News reported
>> Tuesday that McChrystal had been ordered to fly home from Afghanistan
>> to attend a meeting at the White House's Situation Room where he would
>> be asked to explain his comments.
>>
>> NBC News said that McChrystal had personally called Defense Secretary
>> Robert Gates and Biden to apologize.
>>
>> Earlier Tuesday, McChrystal issued a statement saying: "I extend my
>> sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor
>> judgment and should never have happened.
>>
>> "Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal
>> honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article
>> falls far short of that standard," he added.
>>
>> Workaholic
>> McChrystal, a workaholic said to sleep just four hours a day, was
>> brought into Afghanistan a year ago after his predecessor was pushed
>> out.
>>
>> In Rolling Stone, McChrystal is described by an aide as "disappointed"
>> in his first Oval Office meeting with an unprepared President Barack
>> Obama. The article says that although McChrystal voted for Obama, the
>> two failed to connect from the start. Obama called McChrystal on the
>> carpet last fall for speaking too bluntly about his desire for more
>> troops.
>>
>> "I found that time painful," McChrystal said in the article, on
>> newsstands Friday. "I was selling an unsellable position."
>>
>> Obama agreed to dispatch an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to
>> Afghanistan only after months of study that many in the military found
>> frustrating. And the White House's troop commitment was coupled with a
>> pledge to begin bringing them home in July 2011, in what
>> counterinsurgency strategists advising McChrystal regarded as an
>> arbitrary deadline.
>>
>> McChrystal said Tuesday, "I have enormous respect and admiration for
>> President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian
>> leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to
>> ensuring its successful outcome."
>>
>> The profile, titled "The Runaway General," emerged from several weeks
>> of interviews and travel with McChrystal's tight circle of aides this
>> spring.
>>
>> The article portrays McChrystal's team as disapproving of the Obama
>> administration, with the exception of Secretary of State Hillary
>> Clinton, who backed McCrystal's request for additional troops in
>> Afghanistan.
>>
>> It quotes a member of McChrystal's team making jokes about Biden, who
>> was seen as critical of the general's efforts to escalate the conflict
>> and who had favored a more limited counter-terrorism approach.
>>
>> "Biden?" the aide was quoted as saying. "Did you say: Bite me?"
>>
>> Biden initially opposed McChrystal's proposal for additional forces
>> last year. He favored a narrower focus on hunting terrorists.
>>
>>
>> If Eikenberry had the same doubts, McChrystal said he never expressed
>> them until a leaked internal document threw a wild card into the
>> debate over whether to add more troops last November. In the document,
>> Eikenberry said Afghan President Hamid Karzai was not a reliable
>> partner for the counterinsurgency strategy McChrystal was hired to
>> execute.
>>
>> McChrystal said he felt "betrayed" and accused the ambassador of
>> giving himself cover.
>>
>> "Here's one that covers his flank for the history books," McChrystal
>> told the magazine. "Now, if we fail, they can say 'I told you so.'"
>>
>> There was no immediate response from Eikenberry. The Associated Press
>> requested comment through an aide after business hours on Monday in
>> Kabul.
>>
>> Public rift
>> Eikenberry remains in his post in Kabul, and although both men
>> publicly say they are friends, their rift is on full display.
>>
>> McChrystal and Eikenberry, himself a retired Army general, stood as
>> far apart as the speakers' platform would allow during a White House
>> news conference last month.
>>
>> Another aide called White House National Security Adviser Jim Jones, a
>> retired four star general, a "clown" who was "stuck in 1985."
>>
>> The piece also quoted an adviser to McChrystal dismissing an early
>> meeting with Obama as a "10-minute photo op."
>>
>> "Obama clearly didn't know anything about him, who he was. The boss
>> was pretty disappointed," the adviser told the magazine.
>>
>> 'Wounded animal'
>> Some of the strongest criticism was reserved for Holbrooke, Obama's
>> special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan.
>>
>> "The boss says he's like a wounded animal," a member of the general's
>> team is quoted as saying. "Holbrooke keeps hearing rumors that he's
>> going to get fired, so that makes him dangerous."
>>
>> Rolling Stone interviewed troops frustrated by McChrystal's strict
>> rules for combat that are intended to reduce the number of civilian
>> casualties.
>>
>> At one outpost, a soldier McChrystal had met earlier was killed in a
>> house that the local U.S. commander had repeatedly asked to destroy.
>> The request was denied, apparently out of concern that razing the
>> house would anger locals whose allegiance the U.S. is trying to win.
>>
>> "Does that make any (expletive) sense?" Pfc. Jared Pautsch asks. "We
>> should just drop a (expletive) bomb on this place. You sit and ask
>> yourself, 'What are we doing here?'"
>>
>>
>> NBC News' Savannah Guthrie and Norah O'Donnell, The Associated Press
>> and Reuters contributed to this report.
>> URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37839756/ns/politics-white_house/
>>
>>
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