[A-List] Consumer Hell
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Sat Jan 9 17:41:15 MST 2010
The native Americans waited too long. If they had killed the first pilgrims
who arrived and burned their boats it might have been a very different
Paul Wright, Editor
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Paul Wright wrote:
> Stan's Christianity may also be part of the issue as well.
Jesus, as a revolutionary figure, was more than willing to confront
authority... But to his followers he preached "sidestep".
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" (and then DO what you're going
to DO to change the society... This IS NOT appeasement! It's diversion.)
The Native Americans, in a similar manner, learned to late that direct
confrontation was a sucker's game.
The settlers could ALWAYS send more soldiers... more guns.
Subversion (of the dominant culture) IS the name of the game and Jesus
preached diversion as the tactic.
But as I've implied earlier many leftist and marxist in America DEPEND
on American culture as is and in place to accept subversion as
..and Carrol's description of Stan Goff's alleged belief"..._that
patriarchy outweighs class both in terms of theory and practice,_" is
simplistic and inaccurate... IOW, it might be considered
> Paul Wright, Editor Prison Legal News P.O. Box 2420 West
> Brattleboro, VT 05303 802 257-1342 pwright at prisonlegalnews.org
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> -----Original Message----- From: a-list-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
> [mailto:a-list-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Carrol
> Cox Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:55 PM To: The A-List
> Subject: Re: [A-List] Consumer Hell
> "Tony B." wrote:
>> I've always liked, indeed, been a fan of Stan Goff..I even (very
>> reviewed a book of his ..but for him to believe that patriarchy
>> outweighs class both in terms of theory and practice, he is sadly
>> mistaken. Such identity politics is a fracturing, not a unifying
>> theme within the 'left'.
> (I haven't read other posts in this thread.)
> This is substantially right. It is useful to understand what was
> _probably_ the source of Stan's rejection of Marxism, namely, two
> features of his original understanding of Marx & "Marxism" (they
> are not the same).
> I think he regarded _Capital_ as an empirical description of the
> daily workings of capitalism. Secondly, he took Marxism as a total
> world vieew, which explained everything.
> Both views are false, and when he came to see their falsity, he
> rejected Marx & Marxism.
> If you want _only_ an empirical description of life in the U.S.,
> then obviously sexism, racism, heterosexism, etc etc are more
> satisfying then an abstract analysis of class relations. And class,
> incidentally, is a relationship and a procesw, not a collectionof
> individuals sharing an identity. But this is not always, or not
> even usually, recognized, and as a result class politics have
> themselves been identity politics.
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