[A-List] Fwd: Former MI5 chief delivers damning verdict on Iraq invasion -- no reportage on this in North America

[Nadja Tesich]

Suzanne,
Please remind me of that plane with 96 leaders.When and where?
There are no news in North America.Just trivia.
There is nobody in the world who wants to destroy Iran
except USA/Israel.But,Iran will fight.
I still think their hope is to come closer to Russia.
 
All in all-US has become insane as empires do at their end.
Nadja
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> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 11:59:29 +0200
> From: suzannedk at gmail.com
> To: a-list at lists.econ.utah.edu
> Subject: [A-List] Fwd: Former MI5 chief delivers damning verdict on
> Iraq invasion -- no reportage on this in North America
>
> And thousands of solders are still there, will remain there, ensuring
> that the response to their presence increases, or excabberates in Lady
> Buller's words, the level of UK involvement in protecting the young of
> Islam, by joining movements to free them from eternal occupation and constant humiliations, deprivations and assasinations.
>
> As has been written, Hilary Clinton was just sent to the Middle East
> and to Korea in order to raise the level of tensions, which she did.
> Which is why this analysis by the former head of M15 to the invasion
> of Iraq will not to be reported in North America.
>
> The bombing of Iran looks as if it has been long carefully planned with
> Israel. Over many years. Maybe even informing the reason an U.S.
> diplomat was finally sent to the commemoration of the Nagisaki and
> Hiroshima criminal deaths and destruction. In fact that is much like
> the massive release of newly made Holocaust films (6) from Hollywood
> just before tha NATO takeover of Europe through signatories with the
> European Union, the final ones being in 2008 or 2009.
>
> The mili-second trading platforms, fully automatic, enabled setting the
> floor of forced complaince with the US/Israel by using the
> "File-Sharing Agreement between the E.U. and the U.S." to plumb
> privileged information so that the rating agencies could bankrupt a
> country in five or ten minutes as was done to Greece. The
> battleground for Europe's power was set to be fiscal austerity of
> awesome proporations. New beaurocratic structures were, are, to be
> erected as quickly as is possible. The draconian austerity packages
> are to facilitate that restructuring. Although the speculation that
> the plane that held 96 heads of state and leaders all crashing to death
> may have helped this planned structural transformation is an abhorent
> thought, it may be correct. Poland is being planned as the new center
> of the reformed Europe under U.S./Israei domination.
>
> Both Hilary and Bill Clinton have been to the Bilderberg Conferences,
> both are privy to the inner corridors of power. It was not by
> happenstance that both of them separately threatened the life of the
> not-yet-elected Presidential hopeful, Barack Obama. He caught those
> and, victorious or pre-chosen moved his extended family into the White
> House.
>
> He also has been fully compliant to the U.S. Military/Industrial
> Complex. He will remain so. M15 will not. The E.U. must not.
>
> Suzanne
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:30 PM
> Subject: Former MI5 chief delivers damning verdict on Iraq invasion --
> no reportage on this in North America
> To:
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> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/20/chilcot-mi5-boss-iraq-war
>
> The
> Guardian
>
> 20 July 2010
> Former MI5 chief delivers damning verdict on Iraq invasion
>
> Lady Eliza Manningham-Buller tells Chilcot that invasion increased
> terrorist threat and radicalised young British Muslims
>
> [Lady Eliza Manningham-Buller, former Director-General of MI5]
> Lady Eliza Manningham-Buller, former director-general of MI5. She told
> Chilcot that, after the
> invasion of Iraq, she was not surprised that the 7/7 suicide bombers in
> London were British.
> Photograph: Graeme Robertson/Getty Images
>
> The former head of MI5 delivered a
> devastating critique of the invasion of
> Iraq today, saying it
> substantially increased the threat of terrorist attacks in Britain and
> was a significant factor behind the radicalisation of young Muslims in
> the UK.
>
> Lady Eliza Manningham-Buller told the Chilcot inquiry into the UK's
> role in Iraq: "Our involvement in Iraq radicalised, for want of a
> better word, a whole generation of young people – not a whole
> generation, a few among a generation – who saw our involvement in Iraq
> and Afghanistan as being an attack upon Islam."
>
> Asked by Sir Roderic Lyne, a member of the inquiry, to what extent the
> conflict exacerbated the threat from international terrorism facing
> Britain, she replied: "Substantially."
>
> She was not surprised, she said, that UK citizens were behind the 7/7
> attacks in London nor that increasing number of Britons were "attracted
> to the ideology of Osama bin
> Laden and saw the
> attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan as threatening their co-religionists
> and the Muslim world".
>
> Invading Iraq and toppling Saddam
> Hussein allowed
> al-Qaida to establish a foothold in Iraq which it had never previously
> managed. "Arguably, we gave Osama bin Laden his Iraqi jihad so that he
> was able to move into Iraq in a way that he was not before,"
> Manningham-Buller told the inquiry.
>
> She referred to assessments by the Joint Intelligence Committee, of
> which she was a member, warning ministers that an invasion of Iraq
> would increase the terrorist threat to Britain. If they read the
> reports, she said, ministers would have been in no doubt over the
> threat.
>
> The former MI5 chief said she did not have individual discussions at
> the time with Tony Blair
> about the effect invading Iraq would have on the terrorist threat to
> Britain. She referred to Sir Richard Dearlove, head of SIS, the Secret
> Intelligence Service or MI6, which provided intelligence for the
> infamous Iraqi weapons dossier. "I believe the head of the SIS saw him
> [Blair] much more frequently than I did, for understandable reasons".
>
> Manningham-Buller also mentioned Sir David Omand, the government's
> security and intelligence co-ordinator in 2003, who told Chilcot
> earlier this year that MI6 had "over-promised and under-delivered" on
> Iraq. She said that in March 2002, a year before the invasion, MI5 had
> advised the Home Office that Iraqi intelligence agents in the UK would
> pose little threat in the event of war. "We regarded the direct threat
> from Iraq as low," she said.
>
> "We did think that Saddam Hussein might resort to terrorism in the
> theatre if he thought his regime was being toppled, but we didn't
> believe he had the capability to do anything in the UK. That turned out
> to be the right judgment," she continued. MI5 was concerned about the
> threat from al-Qaida before the 9/11 attacks on the US in 2001, she
> said. She dismissed claims made by elements in the Bush administration
> that Iraq had been involved. "There is no credible intelligence to
> suggest that connection. That was the judgment of the CIA. It was not a
> judgment that found favour in some parts of the American machine," she
> said. "It is why [former US defence secretary] Donald Rumsfeld started
> an alternative intelligence unit in the Pentagon to seek an alternative
> judgment."
>
> She was asked about an interview with the Guardian last year in which
> she first set out her concerns about an invasion of Iraq. As US and UK
> forces were preparing to invade, she had asked her superiors, "Why
> now?" She said it "as explicitly as I could. I said something like,
> 'The threat to us would increase because of Iraq,' " she told the
> Guardian.
>
> By focusing on Iraq, the government was diverted from the continuing
> threat posed by al-Qaida in Afghanistan, Manningham-Buller said today.
>
> Her remark was picked up by Admiral Lord West, then head of the navy
> and subsequently appointed security minister in the Labour government.
> "My own personal view is that it is actually a very bad idea to invade
> people," he told BBC Radio 4's The World at One. "I was never a
> supporter, I have to say, of going into Iraq. I think it was a
> foolhardy thing to do when we were already engaged in Afghanistan."
>
> Asked what lessons MI5 had learned from the invasion of Iraq,
> Manningham-Buller said: "The danger of over-reliance on fragmentary
> intelligence in deciding whether or not to go to war. Very few would
> argue that the intelligence was substantial enough to make that
> decision."
>
> She also said MI5 did not fully appreciate the degree to which British
> citizens would be involved in terror plots. In 2004, she wrote to the
> Home Office saying the government needed to think more about the
> effects of foreign policy on domestic policy.
>
> In her own words
>
> Lady Eliza Manningham-Buller to the Chilcot inquiry:
>
> "We regarded the direct threat from Iraq as low"
>
> "Arguably we gave Osama bin Laden his Iraqi jihad"
>
> "Substantially" – when asked to what extent the conflict in Iraq
> exacerbated the overall threat facing Britain's security from
> international terrorism
>
> "Our involvement in Iraq radicalised, for want of a better word, a
> whole generation of young people – not a whole generation, a few among
> a generation – who saw our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as being
> an attack on Islam"
>
> "It is fair to say that we did not foresee the degree to which British
> citizens would become involved …"
>
> "Very few would argue that the intelligence was substantial enough to
> make that decision [go to war]"
>
> "There is no credible intelligence to suggest that connection [between
> Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida]. That was the judgment of the CIA. It was
> not a judgment that found favour in some parts of the American machine"
>