[A-List] Fwd: You have it Discussion on U.S. Military 'Fear'of Wilileaks Power to Destroy

[Todd Boyle]

What I'm going to do is respond after counting approximately
5 to 10 instances where people express the POV of taking action.

Action takes many forms, and each action may be judged
according to its effectivness as a communication tactic,
to reach specific actor types in the political economy, in order
to change specific decisions which they inherently possess
in their power as individuals.

The difference in our POV perhaps originates in our
differing assumptions about the mass population.  I believe
we are in much bigger trouble than perhaps you believe.  IMO,
the mass culture in the U.S. supports war and oppression,
the prison complex and police apparatus, and wall street.
They yearn for serfdom, obedience and fascism not freedom.
I think these characteristics are authentic and indigenous.
The fact that our congress and other institutions are vicious,
is irrelvant.  The fact these characteristics are
sustained and perpetuated by a mass media, by religions
and schools, is nothing compared with the reality of these
characteristics; in other words, the last thing you need right now
is a revolution or even a constitutional convention.
People are worse than you think.

Todd

At 09:21 AM 8/1/2010, Nadja Tesich wrote:

>After one hour cleaning the floor,I decided again that Gary is right.
>Because he is realistic.Things don't change like that,
>because we want or wish.They change
>  for OBJECTIVE reason.
>We can help but only the revolution or economic collapse will do it.
>I always thought the same.
>Nadja
>----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0200
> > From: suzannedk at gmail.com
> > To: a-list at lists.econ.utah.edu
> > Subject: [A-List] Fwd: You have it Discussion on U.S. Military 
> 'Fear'of Wilileaks Power to Destroy
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Suzanne de Kuyper
> > Date: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: You have it
> > To: Gary Crethers
> >
> >
> > I think that six plus billion of us are being set up to remain
> > helpless in a zero sum game, for game it is. Your words reiterate
> > that mindset. I think you are dead wrong. In fact am sure that you
> > are. Why shut everyione up if it is preordained to happen? Why
> > remain as you recommend essentially passive if it is preordained to
> > be? Suzanne
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Gary Crethers wrote:
> > > Thre isn't anything the capitalist war machine won't do. We can 
> only try to
> > > open people's eyes and hope that enough pressure can be brought 
> by people to
> > > stop them. In reality only a revolution or total economic 
> collapse will stop
> > > them.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Suzanne de Kuyper
> > > To: Gary Crethers
> > > Sent: Sat, July 31, 2010 11:59:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: You have it
> > >
> > > I thought so but used it with an article and the stuff came right back
> > > yet was the same e-mail address...This time I was transfixed with the
> > > article about the Wikileaks posting you sent with the title 'U.S.
> > > Military ' etc about how alarmed the U.S. Military is for the
> > > endangered saftey of all the named Pakistani, Afghani U.S.
> > > informants.. Me, I am sure that was the reason for the 'leaks' also
> > > why those names and addresses were not expunged. No-one but too few
> > > allow themselves to see the realities set up by the U.S. over and
> > > over.
> > >
> > > The point is to set up world-wide censorship in the capable bloody
> > > genocidal hands of the American Intelligence services.imbedded with
> > > any troops anywhere. Furthermore as proof the genocidal disaster in
> > > Fallujah unfolding is being covered by a new minutes long 'film' of
> > > the destruction of Warsaw instead of focusing on what the American
> > > General deliberately did in Fallujah in order to punish the people of
> > > that country for objecting to occupation. Babies being born with no
> > > legs, stomachs on shoulders, no ears or mouths, spines upsidedown, you
> > > name it.
> > >
> > > It is a Global War on any and all human rights, the U. S. so insecure
> > > that they are ensuring laws that protect are all supplanted by 'laws'
> > > that remove them, one at a time. Read Jean-Claude Paye! what they
> > > are doing is quite simple and it only works if one does not recognize
> > > it, if enough countries are blind so to speak. Supporting the deadly
> > > process.
> > >
> > > Suzanne
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Gary Crethers wrote:
> > >> Garyrumor2 at yahoo.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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