Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
> The Net is overrated, in the USA itself, let alone Iran or Moldova.
> The only kind of politics the Net is really good for is MoveOn and
> things of that nature.
> Plus, collecting campaign contributions for Democrats. :-0
>
No... that's patently untrue. It cuts out the middleman, and demoncrats,
rethuglicans. marxists, politcos in general, are that.
A re-publish to make my point... and fwiw, I never got the email i
mentioned he should send, nor Juan Cole any from his friends inside Iran
because the internet that 'appliance operators' use, email and such is
no longer set up according to the original standard of flexible routing
but goes through portal like Yahoo! and AOL and the Iranian government
easily blocked all email, but IRC worked just like it should, as a
direct diplomatic tool between an Iranian college student looking for
info on digital music, and I):
They'll NEVER control the content of human-human interaction on the
internet without just plain shutting it off... nor is it only good for
mainstream organizing. In other modes, txtmobbing is downright
subversive and a threat to governments.
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<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> I was just kidding...really!
<sultan_phoenix> i mean can u helo me or ... :D
<sultan_phoenix> help
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> But seriously, I do digital audio daily what do U
need to know?
<sultan_phoenix> ok good thanks
<sultan_phoenix> im using fl studio for 1 year and i know lots of thing
in fl but im not a music maker and i wanna make a music
<sultan_phoenix> about the killing people here in iran
<sultan_phoenix> i'm an art director , graphic designer
<sultan_phoenix> can you help me to make a music?
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Ok, I usaually work with recording and mixing
streamed audio. If you need help with MIDI or the like, I'm not the one
<sultan_phoenix> what can u do for me or ... what ever bout music making
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> All I know about MIDI is it triggers other sounds.
you load the midi tracks and then use whatever mixer you use to select
an instrument to get the sound
<sultan_phoenix> do u have midi and can u give me some?
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> I have one sample I play with, but I'm an eternal
newbie at it. There ARE samples on the web... Google search free midi
sample. I use Acoustica mixcraft which has built in instruments. Maybe
try their site help for a tutorial?
<sultan_phoenix> ok then
<sultan_phoenix> thanks a lot man ;)
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Mine came with the name "badmn1_MIDI" search for it...
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> No problem at all. Enjoy.
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Oh... and BE CAREFUL friend. It's dangerous out
there. Been following closely
<sultan_phoenix> how?
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> You're in Iran... Strange times.
<sultan_phoenix> ow yeah thanks man
<sultan_phoenix> where u from?
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Hang on... going to send a link to the audio work
I do... Yoo'll see that SOME Americans understand Stand by
<sultan_phoenix> :D
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> http://www.archive.org/details/tth_090624-3 Some
images from the sixties in the US and an article by Juan Cole, Historian
about what would Washington do if those demos were happening here.
<sultan_phoenix> wow ur realy good
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Juan Cole is a Persian historian at the University
of Michigan. I'm 55 and I remember when the US declared 'war' on it's
own people protesting the war in Vietnam.
<sultan_phoenix> hey can i have your email address?
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> lcm95060 at gmail.com
<sultan_phoenix> i think i found i real good friend
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> When I was younger, I thought the internet would
change the world in certain ways... NOt quite as I expected, but it's
made government lying MUCH more difficult, no matter the government.
<sultan_phoenix> yeah the problem is goverments in the world
<sultan_phoenix> im 21
<sultan_phoenix> whats your job?
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> I thought "If they could only get US schools and
Vietnames schools chatting, they could never teach americasn kids that
those kids were 'slopes' and 'gooks'. It's gonna take a long time... but
it's getting there.
<sultan_phoenix> maybe and i can say just god bless us , you me every one
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Currently... Unemployed... Last job was janitor in
a cafe... Been a truck driver and macinist. Too old for truck driving
and all the machine sops are in Singapore
<sultan_phoenix> hAw , your good , and hardworking very good
<sultan_phoenix> im student
<sultan_phoenix> my english is poor
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Your english is fine. My Farsi is non-existent.
<sultan_phoenix> :D
<sultan_phoenix> if you want i can teach persian to you
<sultan_phoenix> if you want you can travel here in iran but not now
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> OH NO! Too old anymore. We learn languages better
when young. I'm non-zionist jewish. Learned Hebrew whan I was a child
along with Spanish and Morse Code.... That's enough for one lifetime
even though I've forgotten most of those languages
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> I hitchhiked alll over the place when I was
younger but the world is not really very frienly now to Americans, and I
know why, and it makes me sad, and angry
<sultan_phoenix> ha ha ok good i love spanish man it good language i
call it love language
<sultan_phoenix> yeah i can understand it
<sultan_phoenix> i love america but not the goverment
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Same here. The people are good but' self-centered
and ignore the world's problem if it menas they have to change what they
do. 'I learned spanish in New York, but the Puerto Ricans spoke a
dialect closer to POrtugeuse so I forgot alot of it before I moved to
Caliornia
<sultan_phoenix> ow ok , and it fine you live in california
<sultan_phoenix> i wanna be a singer and a film director to make peace
movie and peace music
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Personally, I live a simple life... What used to
be called 'a hippie'... They made peace music too but it's always a
'sub-culture' rejected by the mainstream society.
<sultan_phoenix> Hmmm yeah
<sultan_phoenix> but my hair 6 mounth ago was hippie
<sultan_phoenix> do u have a photo of ur self
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Not online. Send me an email and I'll send you a
photo of me plying a guitaroutdoors near where I'm typing from right now
in 1983
<sultan_phoenix> OW :O
<sultan_phoenix> good
<sultan_phoenix> maybe 5 6 year latter i come there and meet you
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> The generation before your current president ended
up around here after the Shah. There's an Iranian community in the SF
bay area.
<sultan_phoenix> yeah and i don know what can i say
<sultan_phoenix> you know very good bout iran
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> Don't worry. I was a political/social activist,
and most of the changes happen person-to-person NOT via our governments.
The people are important, and in most places, the governments don't
truly represent the wishes of the people... JUst SOME of the people. I
need to get something to eat... Send an email to lcm95060 at gmail.com and
I'll send a picture after a little while. BTW, My name is...
<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo> ...Leigh (Lee).
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:46 PM,
> Leighm<the.buffalo.in.the.midst at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So much blah blah... Just because every Iranian doesn't have internet access
>> it's somehow counter-revolutionary blah blah.
>>
>> Neither do many Americans... So, by extension, everyone on this list is
>> somehow counter-revolutionary.
>>
>> ...or erhaps, we're just 'exceptional' (snicker)
>>
>> Blah blah... stasis passing for political thought.
>>
>> Yawn.
>>
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>> Tony B. wrote:
>>
>>> America's Iranian Twitter Revolution
>>>
>>>
>>> http://openanthropology.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/americas-iranian-twitter-revolution/
>>>
>>> America's Iranian Twitter Revolution
>>> 2009 June 17
>>> tags: ahmadinejad, CIA, Hezbollah, iran, iranelection, Iranian elections,
>>> Israel, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Mossad, Tehran, tweet, twitter, twitter revolt,
>>> twitter revolution
>>> by Maximilian Forte
>>>
>>> Which Revolution?
>>>
>>> If the headlines had spoken of a "Twitter revolution in Canada," a North
>>> American society with very widespread broadband Internet access, and almost
>>> complete Internet penetration, and one of the highest rates of personal
>>> computer ownership, one would have still needed to be very skeptical: 74% of
>>> Canadians surveyed have never even heard of Twitter, and only 1.45% of
>>> Canadians actually use Twitter, most of those being young, professionals, or
>>> in universities - as an active Canadian Twitter user, I am part of a
>>> minuscule minority ("74% of Canadians unaware of Twitter: online survey,"
>>> CBC News, 11 June 2009). The only Twitter revolution there could be in such
>>> a context then, is for anyone beyond that minority to actually use it - let
>>> alone challenge or transform an entire political system based on its use.
>>> That is not just true of Canada either: according to a study done by the
>>> Harvard Business School, only 10% of Twitter users generate more than 90% of
>>> Twitter content ("10% of Twitter users generate over 90% of content, study
>>> finds," CBC News, 5 June 2009). A real Twitter revolution would be one that
>>> transcends the hype and Twitter self-promotion and sees most users
>>> generating the content.
>>> While some, like Clay Shirky, will proclaim regarding this so-called
>>> "Twitter revolution in Iran," that "this is it, this is the big one" (thanks
>>> to Anthropology.net) the "it" and the "one" are what are most in doubt. Yet
>>> it is doubt that is most absent from the analyses that have been hastily
>>> proffered - and when skepticism is absent from analysis, what are we left
>>> with? Hype, promotional propaganda, wishful thinking - a rush to the
>>> headline-grabbing punchline. Shirky thinks the whole world is watching, and
>>> he may be right, but he is wrong about Twitter and other social media.
>>>
>>> This is indeed a "revolution".but it's for Twitter, this entity whose very
>>> existence resembles the classic story of the start up from the last dot com
>>> bust of the late 1990s, a "Bubble 2.0? firm operating in a recession no
>>> less, without ever producing a business plan, and yet getting $20 million
>>> here and $30 million there in financing (see this, this, this, and that).
>>> Twitter may be as irrelevant to Iran as it is good for the promotion of
>>> Twitter itself, and for the self-flattery of some ardent Twitter users who
>>> believe that their tweets and their green-tinted avatars will change the
>>> world, or at least Iran. The revolution will not only be tweeted, it will be
>>> fast and easy, and it will be led by Americans themselves, "for Iran".
>>>
>>> As part of my preparation for this article, I not only actively followed
>>> and participated in three of the Iranian election streams on Twitter, from
>>> 13 June (the day after Iran's elections) to this morning, 17 June, I also
>>> collected a sample of 1,280 tweets, and skimmed all of the tweets about the
>>> Iranian election starting from 13 June. Among the statements praising
>>> Twitter, and the ways of using Twitter to "show support for the Iranian
>>> people", I have collected these as representative examples:
>>>
>>> RT Huffington Post: "Iran's Revolution Will Be Twittered (and Blogged and
>>> YouTubed and.)"
>>> The revolution will be tweeted
>>> WOW, Twitter is awesome!!!
>>> Yep Twitter Owns! #cnnfail #iranelection
>>> astounding what twitter has done with #iranelection
>>> thinks Twitter's role in the #IranElection could be historical
>>> thankyou twitter
>>> We're getting more news from social media than from traditional media.
>>> Social intelligence progress!
>>> facinating [sic] how twitter brings real time accounts of events
>>> It is pretty easy being green. Turn Your Twitter Avatar Green To Show
>>> Solidarity with People of Iran
>>> My Twitter photo has gone GREEN in support of the freedom revolution of
>>> #IranElection
>>> None of the Twitter users who made those statements are among even the
>>> allegedly Iranian Twitter users, and all except for one locate themselves in
>>> the U.S., the other in Canada.
>>> Whose Revolution?
>>>
>>> Yet, some would have us believe that there is a "Twitter revolution" going
>>> on in Iran, when there is no such thing. Not only that, what is being
>>> boasted about the power of Twitter is almost entirely false. What there is
>>> instead is a rush to the finish line, a predetermined conclusion to
>>> immediately thank and praise Twitter in the context of Iran's street
>>> protests.
>>>
>>> How representative are Iran's Twitter revolutionaries? In actual fact, the
>>> only allegedly Iranian Twitter users who have been identified by other
>>> Twitter users as tweeting about the Iranian protests, are fewer than 45 (see
>>> one list here), most of whose locations cannot be confirmed and almost all
>>> of whom post only in English. Yet, one can get as many as 2,500 updates in a
>>> single minute, on one stream alone (#iranelection), and most of that
>>> repetitive and uninformative material is not being posted by anyone except
>>> for a huge mass of American Twitter users. In total, only a third of
>>> Iranians even have Internet access (we saw in the Canadian case that
>>> Internet access does not translate into Twitter use) and, very
>>> interestingly, the youth who are most associated with the protests and with
>>> Twitter use, consist of 18-to-24-year-olds who in fact comprise "the
>>> strongest voting bloc for Ahmadinejad of all age groups" (poll).
>>>
>>> The Associated Press has produced a similar analysis, noting that in Iran,
>>> "Internet usage is mostly still a phenomenon of the affluent, the youth and
>>> city-dwellers - meaning Twitter and other networks are used mostly by the
>>> young and liberal - and may overemphasize their numbers while ignoring
>>> more-conservative political sentiments among the non-connected." Those
>>> interviewed by AP say that the Twitter hype is creating an illusion that
>>> Tehran is witnessing another revolution, or that Twitter even matters for
>>> Iranians. (See "Tweeting Iran: Elex news in 140 characters or less," by
>>> Rebecca Santana, Associated Press, 15 June 2009.)
>>> So in this Twitter revolution, Twitter is not representative of Internet
>>> users, Internet use is not representative of a wider population, the youth
>>> are not representative of the youth, and the Iranians may not even be
>>> Iranian. Fantastic indeed, this power of "social media".
>>>
>>> What Are the "Revolutionaries" Saying?
>>>
>>> "Where is my vote?" I am not sure where the votes of the disgruntled
>>> losers of the Iranian election are, but I doubt that they are in Twitter.
>>> Perhaps this view is mistaken, perhaps the way they recast their ballot is
>>> through Twitter, and one would think that the pretty young females with
>>> makeup and jewelry cast their real ballots when they held up signs in
>>> Tehran, in English, for foreign news photographers.
>>>
>>> What is even less clear is whether they are saying anything much in
>>> Twitter. Some journalists think they see a "new stage in the evolution of
>>> social media," in the form of the "use of Twitter in Iran" (largely
>>> mistaking Twitter for Iran with in Iran), and even claim that "information
>>> is flooding out of the country - on Twitter" (see "Tweets from Tehran: The
>>> use of Twitter in Iran is a new stage in the evolution of social media," by
>>> Ashley Terry, Global NewsJune 15, 2009). The question we should ask
>>> ourselves is: what information and what is the nature of this "flood"?
>>>
>>> Personally, I have seen very little in the way of actual events being
>>> reported, and when they are, they are retweeted (repeated) hundreds of times
>>> over for almost an entire day. There is enormous volume, and little content.
>>> Hanson Hosein, director of digital media at the University of Washington,
>>> wrote "I'm having a hard time filtering through #iranelection, beyond the
>>> re-tweets and second-hand information passed around by Twitterers outside
>>> the country..We can't take [tweets] at face value. It can be quite
>>> dangerous. We should be doing as much fact-checking as possible" (source).
>>> Michael Crowley also wrote, "One thing that really bothers me about these
>>> twitters and first-hand accounts posted on blogs is that there's no way to
>>> verify them; I've seen several that either seemed suspect or turned out to
>>> be false" (source). Similarly, another blogger observed that, "If you, as an
>>> average news consumer, relied on Twitter you might believe all sorts of
>>> things had happened, which simply hadn't, running a high risk of being
>>> seriously misled about events on the ground. You might at best, have simply
>>> been confused. You probably wouldn't have thought Ahmadinejad enjoys much
>>> popular support at all" (source).
>>>
>>> One of the most common retweets I read, over a two-day period, was this
>>> one, sometimes with minor modifications:
>>> "RT From Iran: CONFIRMED!! Army moving into Tehran against protesters! PLZ
>>> RT! URGENT!"
>>> In fact, there was no army "move against" the protesters, not at the time,
>>> not before it, not even right after it. Some of the tweets seemed designed
>>> to deliberately spread misinformation, such as:
>>> military is rumoured to refusing orders to shoot
>>> and
>>> 2 million in the streets
>>> and
>>> @VOA claims 5000 Lebanese Hezbollah Milita h/b brought down to Iran to
>>> help control the situation #iranelection [that particular Twitter account,
>>> remains entirely blank in actual fact]
>>>
>>> and
>>> students being thrown from university building by police
>>> and
>>> IRAN: CONFIRMING 10~15 dead at dorms last night! Floors are covered w/
>>> blood!!! (http://twitter.com/sissyto4 location: USA)
>>> and
>>> I have heard here that there may be a national strike in Iran on Tuesday.
>>> (said a New York twitter user)
>>> Not only does Twitter allow Americans to engage in participant voyeurism,
>>> it allows them to create the "news" about Iran for Iranians themselves, and
>>> apparently making it up as they go along. Indeed, anyone can be an Iranian
>>> in Twitter, and in fact all are being encouraged to "become" Iranian as in
>>> this other vastly over-repeated tweet:
>>> RT help protect Iranian tweeters by changing your timezone to GMT+3:30 and
>>> location to Tehran
>>> In addition, having urged all to do as above, there is a further effort to
>>> mask the identity of alleged Iranian Twitter users:
>>> When re-tweeting sources from Iran please delete handler name. Type RT
>>> SOURCE from Iran #iranelection #gr88 VERY IMPORTANT!!!! Pls RT
>>> The problem as we see is that when everybody is in Iran, nobody is in
>>> Iran.
>>>
>>> Social Media Are Better Than.?
>>>
>>> The last point raises the issue of how are we to value the "information"
>>> provided by this "Twitter revolt". The first problem is to get over short
>>> attention spans - this is not the first "Twitter revolt" as some in Twitter
>>> suggest. The latest, previous revolt was in Moldova, and I personally
>>> followed very closely the Greek riots through Twitter and many other media.
>>> Indeed, the #griots stream is still active, and when it was especially
>>> active in December of 2008, it featured countless links to independent
>>> media, loaded with photographs and videos, and many if not most of the
>>> tweets were in Greek - it was a Greek event, generated for Greeks and to be
>>> consumed by Greeks. Thus previously I have not had the reason for
>>> criticizing Twitter as I do now.
>>>
>>> There is virtually no accountability or transparency evident in this now
>>> almost mythical "Iranian Twitter Revolution," as we do not know who is where
>>> and why they are saying what they do. It is not as easy to get away with
>>> truth-creation in the mainstream media, especially when reporting from
>>> conflict zones: as has happened many times in the past, untruthful reporters
>>> claiming to be filing stories from the war zone have been unmasked by others
>>> as being nowhere in sight, or, if there, as never leaving their hotels. We
>>> cannot do that with Twitter. One Twitter user pleaded, "don't retweet
>>> anything until it's confirmed, spreading rumors will do more harm than good
>>> #iranelection" - but then, how is it confirmed? Propaganda journalism often
>>> gets unmasked; in Twitter, propaganda gets retweeted and thus remasked.
>>>
>>> Not only is Twitter "reporting" not more credible than the mainstream
>>> media, it is also vastly less informative. On a simple quantitative scale:
>>> add up everything that is actually reported as "news" in #iranelection,
>>> whether true or not, confirmed or not, and compare it side by side with any
>>> one article from the major wire services. I would venture that half of any
>>> one article for the day contains more information than all of the day's
>>> tweets combined. As if to confirm the relationship, many of the tweets
>>> themselves link to mainstream media sources.
>>>
>>> As for "social media" providing egalitarian access and voice for everyone,
>>> what is most immediately apparent from #iranelection in Twitter is the drive
>>> to silence some voices: "all users IGNORE all post except from reliable
>>> sources," said one. How do you know a source is "reliable" in Twitter? "I'm
>>> really following this closely. Fascinating watching the protests unfold" -
>>> but you are not actually watching the protests. You are entertaining an
>>> illusion in your mind that is generated by the tweets.
>>> A Revolution in the American Fantasy
>>>
>>> It may be wrong to single out Americans here, since there is every
>>> likelihood, given the current geopolitical context, that Israeli Twitter
>>> users (among the heaviest Twitter users one can find) have a vested interest
>>> in manipulating the discussion to serve the ends of the Israeli state, as do
>>> many Americans. One thing to do is to try to foment a division between Iran
>>> and Hezbollah, thus one posted: "large number of armed forces are
>>> lebanese/arab hired to beat down the brave iranians" - completely without
>>> substance. Another Twitter user I spoke to chose to quote the Talmud to the
>>> Iranian protesters. Interestingly, the Jerusalem Post was immediately
>>> "aware" of three "Iranian" bloggers (who post only in English), almost as
>>> soon as they joined, claiming without support that their Twitter feeds were
>>> from Iran (see here and here).
>>> That the U.S. government has an active interest in the unfolding of the
>>> "Twitter revolution" for Iran, is an established fact. The U.S. State
>>> Department intervened to ask Twitter to delay a scheduled maintenance break
>>> so as to not interrupt tweets about Iran - "Ian Kelly, a state department
>>> spokesman, told reporters at a briefing that he had recognized over the
>>> weekend the importance of social media 'as a vital tool for citizens'
>>> empowerment and as a way for people to get their messages out'. He said: 'It
>>> was very clear to me that these kinds of social media played a very
>>> important role in democracy - spreading the word about what was going on'"
>>> (see "US urges Twitter to delay service break," by Chris Nuttall and
>>> DanielDombey,Financial Times, 17 June 2009, and "U.S. State Department
>>> speaks to Twitter over Iran," Reuters, 16 June 2009). What the U.S. State
>>> Department is also doing, of course, is reinforcing the unproven claim that
>>> this is important to Iran, while careful not to specify whose citizens are
>>> being empowered, whose word is being spread, and "out" from where. At the
>>> same time, the Obama regime claims that it is not meddling in Iranian
>>> affaris.
>>>
>>> As if to close the feedback loop, some Twitter users directed messages at
>>> Obama's own Twitter account, urging him to wear a green tie "in solidarity
>>> with the Iranian people". It is interesting solidarity, given that no one
>>> has been able to show that Ahmadinejad actually lost the election, given
>>> that the entire premise for the protest is that if he won, then it must be a
>>> fraud. Not exactly top-notch analysis. (See instead, "Ahmadinejad won. Get
>>> over it," by Lynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett, Politico, 15 June
>>> 2009.)
>>>
>>> To further close the loop between "independent" Twitter users and the
>>> American state and its foreign policy aims, instructions have been provided
>>> on how to conduct "cyberwar" against Iranian websites (source). Others try
>>> to forge an ideological link between the Iranian protesters and Twitter's
>>> American Republicans: some American Twitter conservatives inserted their
>>> #tcot tag when addressing #iranelection. Others proclaim the following:
>>>
>>> The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
>>> patriots and tyrants.-Thomas Jefferson #iranelection
>>> Yes we care about people outside America. It's just sometimes hard to show
>>> when the leaders of other countries keep us apart.
>>> Yet none of these people cared about democracy when another of Egypt's
>>> fraudulent elections took place, seeing the arrest and torture and sometimes
>>> the murder of opposition activists. In that case, a dictator favourable to
>>> American and Israeli interests is being propped up, and "we" dutifully
>>> remain indifferent. The same indifference is likely to be shown for the
>>> upcoming Afghan elections, when perhaps once again multiple voting will
>>> occur.
>>>
>>> Glenn Greenwald put the situation best, and with far more discernment and
>>> perspicacity than any cheerleading Shirky, when he writes in "The 'Bomb
>>> Iran' contingent's newfound concern for The Iranian People" (Salon, 16 June
>>> 2009:
>>>
>>> "Much of the same faction now claiming such concern for the welfare of The
>>> Iranian People are the same people who have long been advocating a military
>>> attack on Iran and the dropping of large numbers of bombs on their country -
>>> actions which would result in the slaughter of many of those very same
>>> Iranian People. During the presidential campaign, John McCain infamously
>>> sang about Bomb, Bomb, Bomb-ing Iran. The Wall St. Journal published a war
>>> screed from Commentary's Norman Podhoretz entitled "The Case for Bombing
>>> Iran," and following that, Podhoretz said in an interview that he "hopes and
>>> prays" that the U.S. "bombs the Iranians." John Bolton and Joe Lieberman
>>> advocated the same bombing campaign, while Bill Kristol - with typical
>>> prescience - hopefully suggested that Bush might bomb Iran if Obama were
>>> elected. Rudy Giuliani actually said he would be open to a first-strike
>>> nuclear attack on Iran in order to stop their nuclear program."
>>>
>>>
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