[A-List] Iran: This Is Not a Revolution

[Leighm]

"country's rural and urban poor" is really CULTURAL conflict as well as 
'class', and FWIW, I stand behind the PEOPLE of Iran as *individuals* , 
no matter who ultimately come out on top. I suspect, that like the US, 
*any* 'government' represents just a fraction of the population and if I 
elaborate on that, my ANARCHIST roots would truly show.

I was just on an IRC channel for the torrent site "Demonoid.com" and had 
an interesting conversation with an Iranian student who was looking for 
information about computer music.

THIS is how change is made...

(There's some connection information at the top and a few other 
gratuities before the conversation)


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hello

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<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
I was just kidding...really!

<sultan_phoenix>
i mean can u helo me or ... :D

<sultan_phoenix>
help

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
But seriously, I do digital audio daily what do U need to know?

<sultan_phoenix>
ok good thanks

<sultan_phoenix>
im using fl studio for 1 year and i know lots of thing in fl but im not 
a music maker and i wanna make a music

<sultan_phoenix>
about the killing people here in iran

<sultan_phoenix>
i'm an art director , graphic designer

<sultan_phoenix>
can you help me to make a music?

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Ok, I usaually work with recording and mixing streamed audio. If you 
need help with MIDI or the like, I'm not the one

<sultan_phoenix>
what can u do for me or ... what ever bout music making

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
All I know about MIDI is it triggers other sounds. you load the midi 
tracks and then use whatever mixer you use to select an instrument to 
get the sound

<sultan_phoenix>
do u have midi and can u give me some?

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
I have one sample I play with, but I'm an eternal newbie at it. There 
ARE samples on the web... Google search free midi sample. I use 
Acoustica mixcraft which has built in instruments. Maybe try their site 
help for a tutorial?

<sultan_phoenix>
ok then

<sultan_phoenix>
thanks a lot man ;)

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Mine came with the name "badmn1_MIDI" search for it...

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
No problem at all. Enjoy.

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Oh... and BE CAREFUL friend. It's dangerous out there. Been following 
closely

<sultan_phoenix>
how?

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
You're in Iran... Strange times.

<sultan_phoenix>
ow yeah thanks man

<sultan_phoenix>
where u from?

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Hang on... going to send a link to the audio work I do... Yoo'll see 
that SOME Americans understand Stand by

<sultan_phoenix>
:D

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
http://www.archive.org/details/tth_090624-3 Some images from the sixties 
in the US and an article by Juan Cole, Historian about what would 
Washington do if those demos were happening here.

<sultan_phoenix>
wow ur realy good

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Juan Cole is a Persian historian at the University of Michigan. I'm 55 
and I remember when the US declared 'war' on it's own people protesting 
the war in Vietnam.

<sultan_phoenix>
hey can i have your email address?

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
lcm95060 at gmail.com

<sultan_phoenix>
i think i found i real good friend

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
When I was younger, I thought the internet would change the world in 
certain ways... NOt quite as I expected, but it's made government lying 
MUCH more difficult, no matter the government.

<sultan_phoenix>
yeah the problem is goverments in the world

<sultan_phoenix>
im 21

<sultan_phoenix>
whats your job?

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
I thought "If they could only get US schools and Vietnames schools 
chatting, they could never teach americasn kids that those kids were 
'slopes' and 'gooks'. It's gonna take a long time... but it's getting there.

<sultan_phoenix>
maybe and i can say just god bless us , you me every one

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Currently... Unemployed... Last job was janitor in a cafe... Been a 
truck driver and macinist. Too old for truck driving and all the machine 
sops are in Singapore

<sultan_phoenix>
hAw , your good , and hardworking very good

<sultan_phoenix>
im student

<sultan_phoenix>
my english is poor

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Your english is fine. My Farsi is non-existent.

<sultan_phoenix>
:D

<sultan_phoenix>
if you want i can teach persian to you

<sultan_phoenix>
if you want you can travel here in iran but not now

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
OH NO! Too old anymore. We learn languages better when young. I'm 
non-zionist jewish. Learned Hebrew whan I was a child along with Spanish 
and Morse Code.... That's enough for one lifetime even though I've 
forgotten most of those languages

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
I hitchhiked alll over the place when I was younger but the world is not 
really very frienly now to Americans, and I know why, and it makes me 
sad, and angry

<sultan_phoenix>
ha ha ok good i love spanish man it good language i call it love language

<sultan_phoenix>
yeah i can understand it

<sultan_phoenix>
i love america but not the goverment

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Same here. The people are good but' self-centered and ignore the world's 
problem if it menas they have to change what they do. 'I learned spanish 
in New York, but the Puerto Ricans spoke a dialect closer to POrtugeuse 
so I forgot alot of it before I moved to Caliornia

<sultan_phoenix>
ow ok , and it fine you live in california

<sultan_phoenix>
i wanna be a singer and a film director to make peace movie and peace music

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Personally, I live a simple life... What used to be called 'a hippie'... 
They made peace music too but it's always a 'sub-culture' rejected by 
the mainstream society.

<sultan_phoenix>
Hmmm yeah

<sultan_phoenix>
but my hair 6 mounth ago was hippie

<sultan_phoenix>
do u have a photo of ur self

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Not online. Send me an email and I'll send you a photo of me plying a 
guitaroutdoors near where I'm typing from right now in 1983

<sultan_phoenix>
OW :O

<sultan_phoenix>
good

<sultan_phoenix>
maybe 5 6 year latter i come there and meet you

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
The generation before your current president ended up around here after 
the Shah. There's an Iranian community in the SF bay area.

<sultan_phoenix>
yeah and i don know what can i say

<sultan_phoenix>
you know very good bout iran

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
Don't worry. I was a political/social activist, and most of the changes 
happen person-to-person NOT via our governments. The people are 
important, and in most places, the governments don't truly represent the 
wishes of the people... JUst SOME of the people. I need to get something 
to eat... Send an email to lcm95060 at gmail.com and I'll send a picture 
after a little while. BTW, My name is...

<DoingBizAsDaBuffalo>
...Leigh (Lee).


Tony B. wrote:
> ...I think we're missing a bit of the point here...What's happening in 
> Iran has more than a little to do with class conflict. As Petras was 
> at pains to demonstrate, the country's rural and urban poor - and who 
> make up a majority of the population - support Ahmadinejad.
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> Does anyone really believe that this 'green revolution' would, should 
> it succeed, not simply play in to the hands of both Western 
> imperialist and domestic elitist/capitalist forces inside Iran?
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> The question that should be front and foremost here is: Have any of 
> the so-called 'colour' revolutions resulted in anything other than a 
> victory for reactionary, corrupt, comprador forces inside their 
> respective nations? I would argue not one.
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> Tony
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabri Oncu" <sabri.oncu at gmail.com>
> To: <a-list at lists.econ.utah.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:55 AM
> Subject: [A-List] Iran: This Is Not a Revolution
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>> Yoshie quoting Arshin Adib-Moghaddam:
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>>> Confronting the arrogance of the establishment has
>>> been one of the main ideological planks of the Islamic
>>> revolution in 1979.
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>> Tell that Arshin fellow Yoshie: the 1979 revolution in Iran was hardly
>> Islamic! Mollahs came and took it over after a while because there was
>> a power vacuum. You see, when there is a power vacuum, eventually
>> someone comes and fills it. Nevertheless, calling the 1979 revolution
>> in Iran "Islamic" is nothing but misrepresenting historical facts. I
>> was old enough to watch what was happening then, and I object to such
>> a misrepresentation, if for nothing, for the simple reason that I
>> watched what was happening in my neighboring countrty when I was till
>> a teenager. When Humeyni was sent to Iran as an agent of Western
>> Imperialism from Paris to stabilize an unstable country pousing a
>> threat to West because of its chaotic situation, he stabbed the
>> Western Imperialists in the back with his Islamist agenda, and took
>> the power. Similar to what Lenin did in Russia, but Germany was
>> expecting Lenin to do what he did. What Humeyni did was unexpected.
>> Islamists can be such assholes to their backers. They can sell their
>> backers out, too!
>>
>>> When some commentators say that what we are witnessing
>>> is a revolution they are at best naive and at worst following their
>>> own destructive agenda.
>>
>> Tell that Arshin fellow also this Yoshie: I call this a revolution,
>> but neither am I naive, nor do I have any destructive agenda, nor do I
>> support imperialism, knowingly or unknowingly.
>>
>> Enough of these mollahs and their religous fundamentalism!
>>
>> Enough of fundamentalisms of any kind!
>>
>> Best,
>> Sabri
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