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>> Many of the 2,800 freedmen are the descendants of slaves owned by
Cherokees in the 19th century. Many are the descendants of African
American and Indian parents. The Cherokee backed the Confederacy in
the Civil War, the U.S. Army assigned the former slaves to reside
among tribal members, and Congress made it a condition of the tribe's
continuing in the Union that the former slaves become tribal citizens.
They have come to be known since as the Cherokee freedmen. Congress
and the courts have protected them from curtailment of their tribal
citizenship rights in the past. The nation's own Supreme Court upheld
freedmen rights prior to March 3, when the Cherokee voted to expel the
freedmen from the tribe. Smith argued that their growing number
threatened the Indian identity of the tribe. But the BIA, courts and
public opinion turned against the tribe, resulting in the restoration
of the freedmen to tribal citizenship for long enough at least to vote
in a June 23 election on Cherokee membership in March. <<
Ok . . . Professor Craven speak, you are the resident Indian ideologue.
I have no fear.
Obviously the issue of whom is Indian, in the context of this article and
the issue of voting rights of the "freedmen" within the Cherokee Nation is
one of blood, but the adoption and perpetuation of the "Indian Way." The
"Indian Way" is ultimately decided by those in political power and with
economic authority within the Indian Nations. Let's not pretend we are children
without a legacy of real world politics.
Does this mean the "Indian Way" in the context of the article, has
something to do with their specific way into the globalize market and modern finance
capital as Casino economy? Of course this is what is meant, through the
voice of Mr. Smith.
As if we are dealing with a legacy that stretches back to the "blacksmith"
during the early period of manufacture or sword making. Mr. Smith voice
reminds me of the evil character in the fiction movies the Matrix. "I shall exclude
you to preserve the Matrix, or rather Indian Way."
I am not scared of the Indian Way or in any way dispute its validity as a
real lived history. There are aspects of the Indian Way that are relevant for
today, but only aspects, that can be explained and identified. .What I do
dispute and contest is the ideological Indian, which is why I called Professor
Craven a phoney Indian and will explain what is meant. Ones conviction is not
at stake but ones politics. It is without honor to challenge a persons
I am a nigga and a communist and hear nothing that is not first filtered
through the lens of class as potential laborers without property. Then there is
the color question and it has most certainly raised its ugly head in the
Deal with this issue.
The color factor - not the traditional presentation of the national factor,
bleeds through American history and is not going to "just go away" by
See . . . I am going to speak of classes amongst the Indian Nations and the
Cherokee Nation and the black Indians, fully understanding that all the
modern Indian nations are under attack by modern imperialism and its new
I am saying that this attempted expulsion of black Indians is political and
has very little to do with the defense of the Indian Way, because the Indian
bourgeoisie and the Indian political elite can defend the "Indian Way"
through institutional means. What is being fought out and the rallying point is
I can accept this but one is going to lose because the niggas of the earth
inherent the earth. Period.
Beneath the "who is Indian" and the "Indian Way" - (understood as "the
Indian identity of the tribe") reveals how the politics of modern
plain old bourgeois economic interest is being played out. In other words
the struggle of economic classes and various economic strata, seeking to
express themselves in the political arena through electoral politics is the
subject of this thread. The Indian nations are forced into a modern form of
representative politics and have to get votes or simply pass legislation to
go back to a hereditary form of authority, which will not solve the modern
problem of representation in an environment of modern classes.
It is valid to ask an individual, "who elected you to something."
I am not scared or shamed because I cannot hate myself or my wife and her
family. I can only speak my truth. I an not Indian and neither is my wife,
although I have no way to explain the grandparents pictures on the wall.
Indian is not a blood thing or necessarily who your grandparents are.
Does this not get silly on one level or another?
Professor Craven, you are honorable in your convictions, but you are a white
man that adopted the Indian Way and this is alright, but you are no more
Indian that this mass of people being expelled from the Cherokee Nation. In fact
you are less Indian and this does not detract from your brilliant defense of
the rights of the Indians. I state this on the basis of blood and
photographic evidence and the American experience.
I shall never forget Professor Craven combining my name with the police and
intelligence agencies . . . then stating I am to stupid to be a police and
then the horrible personal attacks because I see things different. Because I
see sex with women different than you, I am called horrible names. I reject
marriage as a bourgeois institution but believe that it is has been a legal
institution - property relations, between a man and women, and I could care less
what horrible names I am called. I will never support gay marriage because I
have never supported bourgeois marriage and have wives to prove this.
This issue hit the Cherokee Nation and was voted on in Oklahoma, after the
Oklahoma vote banning gay marriage. If you oppose bourgeois marriage, which
codifies women as property of men, how on earth can you support any marriage
under the bourgeois order? For this Professor Craven called me all kinds of bad
names and this is cool, but he should take his diabolical proclamations to
the Indians. The real Indians.
This is going to be complex and require thinking.
Well . . . brother . . . we see the world different and their is no
possibility of me being cowed by a guilt ridden professor, who claims to have no
"white guilt." Guilt is historical or it would not be passed from one generation
to the next and all of us have some. My guilt is that I have never not done
enough. My history is to mixed to pick out one facet and say this is who I
am. I am all of it and all of it is called "nigga."
Until you retract all of your personal insults directed at me my tone will
never change . . . toward you and your phoney ideological Indian shit. Until
your tone change my tone will not change and you will die as a fat man
clinging to an ideological Indian way.
I am a nigga by choice and you are an Indian by choice, since according to
you, and the article above, blood is not at issue.
I shall never forget what he has written as a record about Martin Luther
King Jr. and the Professor's assumption as a white man, that adopted the "Indian
Way". Here is the logic of a murderer with a spiritual awakening, after
murdering the oppressed.
I have no need to repent. I murdered no one by choice and risked jail. I
shall not repent for fucking women and having wives, although I was very stupid
as a young man. I financially and emotional;ly supported all the kids and
another mutherfucklers kids all my life. I hate professors and lawyers
interpretation of social life. If I were a bad dad I could not expose myself on the
Internet and the A-List.
I do pussy . . . fuck you. I am not against what someone else might do.
This gets deep and we can deal with it from the Indian Way.
As a fat man you can never bully me, no matter how often you hurl the word
"punk" and threaten to kick ass. Your threats and ideological bent is going to
be your undoing because none of us can live like this. This is not the
attitude of the mythical warrior but that of a mercenary and intellectual bully.
You think you know something and miss the obvious. Indians are not fat and
you are . . . and the Indian Way should instruct one of the way of fat. That
is why you suffer. Professors and lawyers know everything and nothing. What is
lacking is a degree in common sense.
A lot of black people in America can be qualified as Indian with Indian
blood and grandparents along with a lot of white folks, especially in
Louisiana and Oklahoma - meaning "land of red people,: and such people have not
adopted the Indian way but the way of the niggas. This is the logic of
imperialism. We cannot stem this logic only over throw it. The solution to fat is to
stop eating . . . halt consumption that is rooted in the privilege of the
oppressor over the oppressed.
The Indian way . . . stop eating and prove ones Indian way.
I do no seek to be offensive for affect, but this issue has never been
about publicly from a Marxist standpoint and I am breaking a long
tradition. I have had enough of the ideological bourgeois nationalist.
My black and red comrades are not going find this cute, because they feel
compulsion to explain anything to anyone. I am not explaining anything,
just talking and we do talk a lot.
Sovereign nations and the various Indian nations are indeed sovereign,
possess rights that define their sovereignty. This includes the ability to
all their affairs in their native tongue, native customs, spiritual
specificity, historical memory and build institutional artifacts, economic
and systems that perpetuate a nations vision of itself. This also includes
the rights of expulsion of people and what in America, will be understood
a form of ethnic (tribal) cleansing.
We kidnap people in America today - meaning our government, and put them in
jails inside and outside the country legally - through the Patriot Act, and
jail citizens in their
millions so that the penal institutions are profitable. We have always done
and need to stop acting like we are "goody two shoes."
The Cherokee Nation and their bourgeois politicians desire to expel roughly
3500 voters is just another bourgeois thang to me.
In America national body politics today this same issue is being fought out
on the basis of Mexican immigration and the Spanish language, national
identification papers and who can vote and who cannot vote. In America at
call this being "legal" or "illegal."
What then is the issue?
Well, the solution cannot be expulsion, which only arises as the result of
class differentiation and the obvious need for a political grouping to
buttressed its electoral base. Within the state of the United State of
America, every single issue of who can and cannot vote, always and for all
be first linked to wealth possession and voting blocks and the history of
This history cannot be undone.
The protection and perpetuation of the Indian Way can never be disputed and
means such ways are protected and perpetuated by institutional means as
books, schools, rites of passage, in designed holidays, and the undisputed
to codify historical memory through language.
That the hated BIA threatens to intervene in this issue is outrageous given
its permanent policy of Indian genocide. That the Congressional Black
has stepped forth as the protector of "the rights of the black former
slaves," in the context of the "Cherokee Nation" having fought on the side
"Southern Secessionist Movement," means we are dealing with a complex
requiring the lens of class and familiarity with the historical brilliance
Marxism and the National Colonial Question, in the opening era of new
I have nothing but hatred for the BIA.
"I charge the BIA with ethnic cleansing, racial discrimination, ethnically
exclusionary procedural systems and breach of contractual obligations,"
Angela Molette, Freedmen's Descendants spokesperson. She said the main
of the First Annual Black Indian Pow Wow in Enid was to call "members" of
the five tribes back home so that they may re-claim the heritage that was
due to the forced exile. Historians have estimated that at least 18 percent
of the Indians that survived the Trail of Tears were Black.
And of course, zero compassion for the Congressional Black Caucus demand
withhold federal funds from the "Cherokee Nation," although such funds are
always earmarked and used to buttressed and consolidate the bourgeoisie
amongst the colonized. Smith's argument that "Indian identity is being
is the only way that the voice of the "Cherokee bourgeoisie," can be
expressed and . . . who has in fact, long ago broke with "the Indian
seeking development based on imperial bourgeois social and economic
Does not the politics, mirror the traditional Southern reactionary political
leaders seeking to exclude voters and protect their political block on the
of identity? In the meaning of the Southern reactionary, their identity is
that of dominator as the hands of the old Slave Oligarchy.
We are in fact dealing with classes and the vying of different sectors and
sections of classes tied to modern imperialism and bourgeois relations.
specific issue dates back to the 1983 election in the Cherokee Nation and
If is sounds like, "nigga you cannot vote," . . . then you must ask if
ears are lairs. It is of course deeper than what sounds the ears hear.
I refuse to surrender a class vision rooted in the most destitute of
and I understand the bourgeois nationalist ideologue who cannot make heads
or tails out of the mechanics of imperial entrapment.
There is a historic proletariat amongst the various Indian Nations that
began its specific evolution at the point of "European Conquest" of the
This proletarian mass was segregated on reservations under conditions of
immense poverty and hunted as "game" anytime it ventured outside the
seeking wages and was historically excluded from modern bourgeois and
industrial production. Such Indians have been mistakenly understood to be a
proletariat. The women amongst them were the object of rape and this is
many of us were born. No, I am not justifying rape.
History cannot be undone.
Here I run into the ideological Indians, that specialize in Indian
litigations, which is honorable on the level that protect sovereignty, but
individuals who are ideological Indians, are such because they adopted the
way and tend to leave out the inner and inter-class struggle, as an index
Today all of history collides inward and the historical Marxists and
communist are forced to view history with fresh eyes. Fresh eyes means
the same thing from a different perspective.
Screaming against big trucks and the other so-called ills of bourgeois
society brought back to the reservations are the cry of the ideological
visualize a world reality immune to the ravishes of imperialism and its
tendency to group together peoples in national clusters on the one hand,
disperse these same peoples.
I dispute the concept of tribe as a modern description of the National
factor in America, in respect the Indian Nations - not Indian peoples, and
national clusters, more than less being dispersed, with the bourgeoisie
them feverishly fighting to hold unto its market shares on the basis of
national distinctiveness. No one is asked to surrender a way of life and
of us think things out or our living rituals that make us who we are.
Have we not have enough of the bourgeois black nationalist that is forever
ranting about the theft of "black culture" and its "appropriation" by
America," when in fact modern economic, social and political relations
cultural exclusiveness and sets the stage for what Comrade Lenin long ago
called the slow emergence of the international culture of the proletariat.
The Indian bourgeoisie and political elite is not very different from the
African American bourgeoisie and black elite, tied to the US government by
thousand threads. In the case of the Indian bourgeoisie and elite, it grew
and consolidated in modern times on the basis of the Casino economy. This
not something I read in a book. I personally have visited sores of Indian
casinos, from one end of America to the next to see all the surrounding
Here's where I'm coming from.
Look, there are more white people and Arabs that are niggas in America . .
. than niggas.
Marx had a vision of industrial and capitalist development and could
actually visualize a modern country that had amalgamated the world
itself. It has taken me a lifetime to understand that Marx saw America in
its abstract and concrete features.
The niggas amongst the Indians . . . ain't that something?
Oh . . . the Korean niggas always been mentioned as the tender box of
This is an existing time to be alive.
Victory to the proletariat revolution.
The Indian heritage will reveal itself as a proletariat, more than less,
excluded from industrial production and demanding socially necessary means
life, even if it has no money.
This is just mind boggling and exciting.
Nothing shall be surrendered to the chauvinist and bourgeois nationalist.
Not one molecule.
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