[A-List] Re: GAO: Looming Threat to US Oil Supply
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Sun Apr 1 18:47:48 MDT 2007
Melvin, production is controlled by its energy supply, and the forms of
energy supply left destroy the livable biosphere, first and foremost of
the working class and peasantry in the third world. 3 billion people
would be a massive population total in the near future, without a
radical re-ordering of-- wait for it-- production. Peak oil and climate
change are the top manifested issues of the bourgeois dominanc over
production, and their fucked up value system as to what is "cost" and
what is need.
There is no proletariat without food.
Macdonald, the information you have forwarded on peak oil, the current
fights of the Indigenousness Peoples and indeed, the body of literature of
consistently forwarded to this virtual world is important and instructive. If we
were a political organization, (here's a scary thought) rather than an important
virtual form, the body of literature you have sent on peak oil would - and
other issues, would constitute an important and substantial part of policy
statement . . . within a programmatic line of march, that every sector of the
working class and a segment of the middle class elite could raise.
If we were an organization you would also get my person vote, despite
differences, which can be sharp at time, because you do not proceed from a military
mind set which tends to punish and imprison for "personality flaws" and
Production - in my estimate, is not controlled by its energy supply or
rather I look at production somewhat different. Production is controlled - what is
produced and how it is distributed (together the shape of production)
exclusively on the basis of property relations. Energy determines how - How, what
is produced will take place but does not control what is produced.
I must follow the line of march over what is produced because of my location
in the world theater. And I hope to win other over to this line of march
where I happen to be.
I am looking at this issue of peak oil through a lens of value - which I
argue for strenuously, but never seek to impose on anyone, and the issue of peak
oil appears as a question of what is produced and what is consumed, from the
standpoint of the most poverty strickened sector of the world proletariat.
I do not argue against the electro-mechanical logic that states more: ever
increasing energy intensive production, requires an even greater expenditure
of initial input and tend to have an even greater "fall off" (non convertible
energy or unrecoverable energy that cannot be captured and reconverted into
an energy input without an even greater increase in the initial input).
The current fight to block the path of the bourgeoisie - my bourgeoisie in
its energy demands, is correct. Period. This means that one is located on that
front of struggle.
I do argue in favor of fuel cell automobiles but most do not read the part
of the argument that argues for less automobiles in the world. I was fed up
with the combustible engine years ago and spent my entire adult life building
such engines - 30 years of building the 318 for Chrysler Motors, and if you
think they are bad for the environment, imagine the inside of the factory that
builds the engine. I do not consider myself soft on the question of the
environment or fossil fuel.
We do not need at least 50% of the products produced in our society and they
are produced for their commodity form exclusively. Does this solve the
problem? Yes . . . without question, at least in its fundamentality.
I can imagine a different world with not just energy limited devices (saving
energy is kind of stupid, is it not?) but a world reconfigured on the basis
of a complex of energy forms. Not just solar panel but integrated complexes
of energy limited devices. You say "solar panels and someone screams "the
world cannot run on solar panels." You say fuel cell and someone says, "they
are more energy intensive."
Well, what about the refrigerator. Why do "you" - not you, have to have the
two of them and a freezer in the garage? Exactly what is in these
I'm rambling but Fidel is partially correct.
I have been pissed off . . . at the energy expended on the fucking packaging
for CD and all the real energy expended on selling - exchange or the value
relations, of a damn recording that can be down loaded in a cooperative
Ok . . . I'm pissed at the bourgeois order . . . not you at all . I am
working as a security guard, specifically what is called a Loss Prevention
Off-icier, in supermarket chains - the big ones. Now and then I write about what is
in a supermarket and how worthless these products are. I look at these
products everyday - thousand of them and have most committed to memory . . .
sadly. I see where is the energy is being expended in a minute way and the system
of production and distribution enforced by the bourgeoisie to bring those
products to market as commodities.
I am saying that I see the problem as the commodity form and not the
electro-mechanical process in the abstract. What is produced and not how it is
produced is what has brought the world to crisis.
Do we ever add up the energy requirement for armament production by the
I do not accuse you but just saying.
My support for fuel cell vehicles are in a context of the destruction of the
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