[A-List] A view from India

[Henry C.K. Liu]

To begin with, Sino-Africa trade is mostly conducted by the Chinese 
government not private companies and as such it is conducted not for 
private profit but to implement national polices which are publicly 
decalred so that China's African trading partneer is hold China to its 
openly declared intentions. So far, no African government has done so.  
All the complaints are from Western or Western trained liberals. 
Secondly, Sino-Africa trade is so far not profitable for China.  
Thirdly, all leftist leaders in Africa and Latin America are saying 
trade with Chins is different than trade with the West, the latest is 
Morales of Bolivia, after Chavez. Perhaps they are all lying 
compradors.  Finally, China is trying to help develop and buy basic 
materials and commodities from Africa not to get it cheap but for 
strategic geoploitical reasons to off-set protential US embargo. For 
this reason, China will give more than equal, perhaps even preferntial 
terms of trade to these Third World countries. What make you think the 
bougeoisie is in charge in China?  From  Bond's assertion?

You are a third party to Sino-Africa trade.  It seems to  there are very 
happy bilateral partners. Yes, some of the leaders are not proper 
democrats by Western standards, like the Saudis are, but as I said, 
China did not put them in power - the West did.  I am not going to 
answer any more sophmoric condamnation of China from so-called leftists. 
I have more important things to do.  I will stop posting information on 
China on this list from now on.

Henry C.K. Liu

Nestor Gorojovsky wrote:

>Well, Henry, if this is all that can be said then -at first blush- 
>China risks behaving towards the Third World as Britain behaved 
>towards China.  It certainly risks behaving the way traditional 
>colonialists did.  You know the story: first the Mission ("political, 
>ideological, and programmatic" alliance), then the merchants, later 
>on the troops if need be and IMF is not enough.
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>What China should demonstrate is that it does not _export capital in 
>order to turn the economies of her partners subservient economies, 
>and to extract surplus from the partners in a non-leveraged way.
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>I don't say this can not be demonstrated.  What I say is that the 
>line of argument you follow does _not_ destroy the China-bashers as 
>you call them because it simply relies on faith in China's good 
>faith.
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>And you don't give a single reason why a Chinese bourgeois will be, 
>in foreign trade, less of a rogue than, say, an American bourgeois.  
>If there is some way in which the Chinese state can operate the 
>miracle and make Chinese bourgeois less rapacious than their Western 
>and Japanese counterparts, it would be most interesting to be aware 
>of it.
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>Respuesta a:"[A-List] A view from India"
>Enviado por:Henry C.K. Liu
>Con fecha:18 Jan 2006, a las 18:45
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>>China sees the third world countries as new sources of raw materials,
>>including energy sources. It also sees those countries as markets for
>>its manufactured goods.
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>>China's attitude towards trade is very different than the western 
>>countries. Whereas the western countries see economic relations 
>>with the third world countries in a linear dimension, China views
>>these relations with a multilateral approach. It forges political 
>>and ideological relations along with economic relations. This is 
>>why Evo Morales called China a "political, ideological, and 
>>programmatic ally of the Bolivian people".
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