[A-List] Co-Moderator's - China/correction

[Henry C.K. Liu]

This post is not about China but about Melvin who in my opinion is one 
of the most honest and forrthright poster on this list.  I always find 
his posts revealing of a point of view I often do not automatically 
assume but nevertheless appreciate and from them  I have learned much 
about the attitudes and perspectives of African Americans who manage to 
resist the Stockholm syndrome.  I have been participating on these lists 
for a few years now and have learn that it is not necessary to respond 
to every attack, particularly personal ones. It is not because I have 
become wiser, but because I have heard them all by now. Over at 
LOB-Talk, Charles Brown was another African American who instinctively 
seems to see things in a sympathetical way as mine.  The African 
American Left seems to be more in tune with the Third World Left.  Read 
the specches of the Malcomb X or the anti-war speeches of King (for 
which he was persecuted beyond his non-viloent civil rights leadership 
which he appeared to be losing unloess his adopted resistanced to the 
Vietnam War.)  Many political activitists have different priorities for 
liberation struggle that are drastically different than those of the 
Western anti-communist right. Race then seems to have a positive imapct. 
The non-white races seem to identify with one anothers more readily 
withoout conscious coordination.  

As for the Jewish left, it is become so rare that the term sounds like 
an oxymoron,

Henry C.K. Liu


Waistline2 at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/3/2004 4:57:32 AM Central Standard Time, 
> soncu at pacbell.net <mailto:soncu at pacbell.net> writes:
>  
> Melvin,
>  
> Stop it!
>  
> It was my bad judgement to forward Louis' s mail to the A-List and I 
> feel guilty because of that. I forwarded it because I thought it might 
> lead to a constructive discussion/debate.
>  
> Reply
>  
> Where have I misrepresented anything written?
>  
> I left Marxmail over this China issue. Lou was always very generous 
> with me and this is an intense political issue.
>  
> I am ultra political . . . man.
>  
> In America we are in an environment . . . on a hostile economic 
> terrain . . . where we have had to march for three decades on the 
> basis of political and ideological polarities based on what was in 
> front of us. Yes, . . . the situation is slowly changing.
>  
> Are you stating that I have misrepresented what was written?
>  
> Are you stating that I have been unprincipled?
>  
> Look . . . I spent damn near a decade disoriented because we communist 
> workers and propagandist do not have economic legs to stand upon. When 
> our Soviet comrades asked for help and extended their gigantic arm we 
> were impotent. Sovietism opened doors that would have remained shut in 
> America and Mao ZeDung statements on the struggle in America help 
> shape a political polarity from which 90% of the last generation of 
> communists evolved.
>  
> Now that the communists in China are beginning to get economic legs to 
> stand upon . . . the propaganda campaign intensifies against China.
>  
> We communist workers are not cry babies . . . but we take our defeats 
> in the market serious. Property in the minds of mean and women ... the 
> force of habit . . . is more destructive than nuclear weapons.
>  
> Lou better hope the Christians are wrong because if they are not he is 
> going to hell over his anti-China anti-Sovietism. This is not an 
> anti-Stalin campaign and no one seems to understand what is taking 
> place in America.
>  
> The race card was played on Henry.
>  
> The ideological campaign always preceed the military campaign.
>  
> Trust me on this.
>  
> The left wing flank is to try and disorient the communists. You are 
> going to find out the hard way.
>  
> What is constructive debate if not disclosing bodies of politics that 
> derail our working class?
>  
> This is the rankest political panhandling and chauvinism.
>  
> "China is taking our jobs" is the bottom of the ideological barrel. 
> Have I misrepresented what was written?
>  
> Michael K. once asked why the mass of communists in America that are 
> not Anglo American . . . especially the African Americans . . . did 
> not gravity towards the political pole associated with Trotskyism. Now 
> you know.
>  
> "China is taking our jobs" . . . how come you did not catch this and 
> censor it!  I would have censored this and spared a comrade 
> humiliation. Why on earth would you forward this kind of garbage to a 
> progressive list?
>  
> Where U at wit dat?
>  
> Whats Up with that?
>  
>
> Melvin P.
>